Thursday, July 23, 2009

Exeter Moving Up To D-I, BG Staying in D-II


11/6/09
Roger Brown broke the story Wednesday on the NH Football Report. The entire story can be found here: http://www.nhfootballreport.com/2009/11/exeter_i_bg_ii.html

Manchester West is moving down to Division II. These changes will be in effect starting next season, and it will stay this way for at least 2 years. BG was asked to move up to D-I, they decided not to. The NHIAA then asked Exeter to move up, and they accepted. I have a feeling that even if BG accepted, the NHIAA still would have asked Exeter to move up as well. Then if they still accepted, Concord probably would have been moved down.

One school is content beating up on weaker opponents year after year, while another school isn't. Exeter is ready to step it up and play a tougher schedule. BG is not.

This news is both good and bad for NH football. It is good, because now in D-I you will now have 7 top notch football teams competing against each other for the D-I title in South, North, Central, Salem, Exeter, Londonderry and Pinkerton. It'll be a lot of fun to watch these teams go at it every week. It's also good because with Exeter moving up, West moves down, and thus D-I loses one of its three doormats. West will now be playing teams closer to their talent level.

Of course this news is also bad for NH football, because BG will now win Division-II every year, without a fight. Exeter has been the only team to even give BG a game last couple years, so now BG loses them on their schedule and replaces them with West. How much satisfaction can you really get from beating a team 51-0?

Not to mention if they went to D-I then BG would be able to play against North and South, have more games at Stellos Stadium. Heck the games as a whole would be closer for them in D-I which would mean less traveling costs for both them and their opponents.

Travel was likely the one reason Exeter had for staying in D-II. They'll now be the only seacoast team in D-I, as opposed to D-II where you also have Dover, Spaulding and Winnacunnet. The Exeter/Winnacunnet rivalry is huge, especially for the Warriors. I'm sure they will still try to schedule each other for a non-league game now.

Which brings us to the other question. Will we see anymore Exeter/BG games after this year? The rivalry is definitely a good thing to keep going, but with the underlying hatred between the two programs perhaps it won't continue.

108 comments:

  1. Pelham is supposedly moving to division 3

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  2. BG wants to move to D1 and will go public with their plea after the Exeter game. No doubt, BG should be in D1 and they want to be in D1. The state does not want 10 team divisions...well, too bad NHIAA - deal with it! Make an exception and move BG to D1 where they belong. If you don't you create incredible balance problems. For example, can you imagine anyone ever saying, "Wow, I can't wait for the BG vs. West game Friday night!" No, that will never happen.

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  3. You can have BG in D-I and still have 9 teams in D-I. Just move Concord to D-II, problem solved.

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  4. True - but they must agree to move. I doubt they will....

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  5. BG wants to go to Division 1? The article clearly says that they were asked to go and chose not to, which is when Exeter was asked and accepted. Can't have it both ways. Obviously BG didn't expect Exeter to step up - and people are now trying to cover their tracks. BG should have done the right thing when initially asked - really, what is there left to prove in DII? Don't try and make further excuses now either, just makes you look more foolish than the decision not to step up in the first place.

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  6. Why wouldn't Concord agree to move to D-II? True, they would have to travel a little farther for some of their away games. But the plus side is that they wouldn't be getting hammered every game. In D-II, they would be grouped with teams closer to their talent level.

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  7. Congratulations to the Bluehawks for stepping up to the plate. This move just shows the character of the coaches and players. The big winners here are the players who will be pushed to succeed, and win or lose will be better for it.

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  8. Must be nice to believe what you hear 100% of the time. Did you ever think that the "source" of this article wasn't completely truthful? Did it ever cross your mind that the information is a bit biased? Ball is a diety, while Johnson is considered a recruiter. G, wonder if the "source" had any incentive to paint BG as the bad guy? Please, let this run its course.

    Let's hope BG and the NHIAA do the right thing and BG is playing in D1 next year.

    I cannot wait to see BG pummel Exeter tomorrow night and in two weeks. No question, they are the best team in NH.

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  9. As a BG Alumnus, every year I look forward to the clash with Exeter. We have been battling Exeter since the 70's. It is one of the great rivalries in High School sports. Truly a spectacle.

    Like it wasn't bad enough when we were coldly shunned from the Turkey Bowl against the Purple Panthers. Going to Division would have righted many wrongs. There is so much symmetry to moving up to Division I for Guertin. I really don't understand the reasoning behind it.

    To say enrollment will go down is not true. If that were to happen....it would have already happened. Although sluggish...the economy is beginning to move in the right direction.

    I hope blogger 3:10 is speaking the truth...and that Guertin will make a surprise announcement after the Division II state football finals to move to Division I. Not too late TOJO !! For the sake of BG classes past, present and future.

    Please reconsider !!!

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  10. Looks like ToJo and BG have no kahoonies by deciding to stay in D2. What a joke. BG has shown their true colors on this one. They have lost a lot of respect from HS football fans. Have a good time winning games 48-0 in D2.

    BG is now officially a joke.

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  11. Coach Johnson just discussed the issue on WGAM. He said that BG wants to play D1 football next year and that the school has petitioned the NHIAA to reconsider its decision to move Exeter to D1 and leave BG in D2. He did mention the economy as a factor when considering whether to move up (considering the school costs $11K per year), but he said the school wants to play D1 - not D2.

    So, let's see what happens. Too bad these decisions couldn't wait until after the season. The spotlight should be on the BG vs. Exeter game tonight - not next year's division alignment.

    Jeremy, what are you hearing on the subject??

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  12. ToJo admits he petitioned to D-2 on WGAM this morning. Go replay it when it is up loaded. His decision backed up by the same excuses. Now he has to beg NHIAA reconsider and move BG to D-1. Then he made it sound like he did not know what he was doing when he submitted the initial petition to D-2, "expecting a discussion". Is he that uninformed of the process as an athetic director? Either way he looks stupid. He expects "special discussion" and treatment. Now he needs NHIAA to fix his mess. Brilliant!!! Showed his TRUE feelings with the initial petition to D-2. Take the easy way. He admitted that was his decision to petition to D-2. Now all the public opinion is changing his mind?? $11K per kid for this? Which way will public opinion blow ToJo next?? Have to think twice about spending the $11K, not because of the economy but on the lessons BG is teaching. "It's never my fault and some on else is to blame and fix my mess." Interesting all of the other BG programs play at the highest level and ToJo is the athletic director at BG. Protect the precious football program in D-2. Way to go ToJo.

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  13. Coach Johnson could have avoided all of this mess if he did the right thing and petitioned to D-1 to start. Poor decision.

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  14. ToJo talks out of both sides of his mouth. Nice excuses he comes up with:

    11K, Economy, "thought there was going to be a discussion", dog ate the homework and check's in the mail.

    Coach Ball comes up smelling like roses on this one while ToJo hides behind the football skirt of D2.

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  15. Yes, Coach Ball, the same person who tried to petition down to D2 this week until the committee balked. Yes, absolute roses.

    Funny how people hear what they want to hear.

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  16. 11:21, do not try to deflect the workings of the fool at BG,by trying to bring Ball into it. Ball did the right thing and excepted the challenge and opportunity for his program and his kids.Tony the liar over on the radio talking out both sides of his mouth. Thank god the truth finally comes out about BG, something all of us knew along but now Johnson just put his foot in mouth.Feel for the kids, that Johnson is so shallow to only think of himself , his record, his self proclaimed legacy. Yeh Bg will probably kick the snott right out of Exeter tonight, But the truth is finally out. ToJo anymore transparent he'd be a window !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  17. 12:19
    Have you ever met Tony Johnson? Do you think NH football is better due to his coaching and the BG program or would everyone be better off if he stayed in college coaching and BG was still a doormat?
    Why all the hate? I've got to say, it sounds a little personal.

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  18. Concord on paper looks like a bad team. but look at their games. their young. a new system and a new coach. West has been struggling for years. And thats why its them and not Concord.

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  19. It is West because at 1300 students it will be one of the smallest schools in D-2. Concord easily has D-1 enrolement. Hope Concord does improve. That is good for all.

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  20. I know recently Concord actually was pretty good. But they've really struggled last couple years. Maybe they'll turn it around in a few years. But these changes in the division realignment are not where teams will stay forever, it's just a two year cycle. Put Concord, or maybe even Memorial down in D-II. Give it two years, see what happens. If they turn it around and start beating up on D-II teams move them back up.

    I think everyone would agree that having Salem, Central, Exeter, BG, Pinkerton, South, Londonderry and North in one division would be good for NH football. Every week you would have great matchups. We would really see what these teams are made of.

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  21. Jeremy -

    I agree, but Concord and Memorial will not move down. I understand why BG is taking heat (they should), but how does Souhegan, Plymouth and Goffstown (based on enrollment) duck all the controversy? If BG and Exeter both move up, and only West moves down, someone must move to D2 to make it a 9 team division. Goffstown petitioned down, and Souhegan and Plymouth stayed put. Dumb. I don't understand these people.

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  22. Courtesy of NHFootballReport.com


    Bishop Guertin High School released the following statement Monday regarding the school's decision to remain in Division II and not to petition up to Division I for the next two football seasons:

    "The process of realignment has been a new one for all of us at Bishop Guertin. BG submitted its request based on where we are now. We have petitioned up in all sports, well above our Division III status based on population. We basically proposed to stay where we are in everything, but also stated if it is in the best interest of both Bishop Guertin and the NHIAA football comittee we were open to moving up to Division I. We had hoped that this process would include some discussion once the makeup of the proposed divisions was drafted by the football committee. We have been told the process possibily could be close and since then there has been no more dialogue. We have since contacted the NHIAA and said we are willing to move up based on the proposed divisions for football. At this time we have no idea whether the proposal will be considered or the committe might now be responsible for any potentional change. We have indicated our openness to the move. We will need to see how the process unfolds through the various stages of approval."



    -- Roger Brown

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  23. While we are at it...this courtesy of the Nashua Telegraph online, written by Gary Fitz.

    Feeling his school’s intentions have not been accurately portrayed in the media or on the internet concerning what division Bishop Guertin football will compete in next season, Tony Johnson, the athletic director and football coach at Bishop Guertin released this statement on Friday.

    “The process of realignment has been a new one for all of us at Bishop Guertin. BG submitted its request based on where we are now. We have petitioned up in all sports, well above our Division III status based on population. We basically proposed to stay where we are in everything, but also stated if it is in the best interest of both Bishop Guertin and the NHIAA football comittee we were open to moving up to Division I. We had hoped that this process would include some discussion once the makeup of the proposed divisions was drafted by the football committee. We have been told the process possibily could be close and since then there has been no more dialogue. We have since contacted the NHIAA and said we are willing to move up based on the proposed divisions for football. At this time we have no idea whether the proposal will be considered or the committe might now be responsible for any potentional change. We have indicated our openness to the move. We will need to see how the process unfolds through the various stages of approval.”

    Based on the proposed divisions submitted by the football comittee last week, Exeter moved up to nine-team Div. I because its enrollment is now the ninth largest among football playing schools in the state. Bishop Guertin, whose enrollment of just below 900 students, was the smallest Div. III school based on the numbers, but has traditionally petitioned up to Div. II.

    Should the football committee reconsider and move Bishop Guertin up to Div. I without a current Div. I team moving down, it would leave just eight teams in Div. II with nobody in Div. III currently interested in moving up.

    The unbeaten and top-seeded Cardinals, 8-0 in their division and 10-0 overall, will open this year’s Div. II playoffs when they host Alvirne at Stellos Stadium on Friday night at 7. Alvirne is making its first post-season appearance in 10 years.

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  24. In addition to questioning BG about D1, why isn't anyone asking Souhegan about D2? Or, Goffstown about petitioning down to D3 or Plymouth for staying put in D4?

    Kill BG, they deserve it, but ask these other schools the same questions. It is the only way to reach an equitable solution.

    My two cents: allow Exeter to stay in D2 and play their natural rivals. They'll win, but who really cares? It's probably the best solution. Move BG to D1 and let them play their natural rivals, the Nashua schools, plus rekindle all the other teams they used to play in southern NH. If that doesn't work, think creatively for God's sake. Create three divisions out of the six...56 overal teams in six divisions...absurd!

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  25. BG can try to spin the situation all they want with the enrollment figures etc. etc. yawn yawn yawn. It's funny how they recruit like a well oiled machine, but hide behind the enrollment figure argument. The more BG says the worse they look. This is great because anyone with common sense can see right through ToeyJoey and all his BG minions. Keep on digging a verbal hole Cardinal High. You are already up to your waist in dirt and sinking fast on this situation.

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  26. BG = The lion before he saw the Wizard of Oz.

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  27. I love the anonymous posts regarding "recruiting"...it is simply laughable. Have you ever seen a HS football game in NH? The football is somewhere between below average and terrible! Why the hell would anyone be "recruited" to play HS football in NH?

    BG "recruits" based on winning tradition, good coaching, above average facilities and college acceptance rate. Also, most of the kids play two sports - football and lacrosse come to mind. If you haven't noticed, their lacrosse team is stacked as well...same kids, same great coaching. And, when you compare BG to the other HS options within 20 miles, a strong case can be made that the $11,000 per year/per student investment is worthwhile for some families.

    Are you also going to say Exeter "recruits" because it draws from at least 6 towns, has superior facilities, a great coaching staff, a feeder program that runs the same O and D as the HS and the best residential real estate market in the state? No, but I do think parent's choose to locate to Exeter due to its great academics, athletics and quality of life. Is that "recruiting"?

    "Recruiting", save that argument for state's where it actually matters, like TX, CA, OH and NJ. Simply ridiculous. Stay on point: BG should move up, Exeter should stay in D2 (where they belong) and Souhegan and Plymouth should face the same scrutiny as BG.

    OK, that's all. Maybe I'll call BG and see if I can do some "recruiting" for them a the next Pop Warner or Junior High football game I attend! What a joke.

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  28. Heh 8:29, seeing you're hitting the recruiting issue adnauseam, maybe BG should recruit some stones and move up to D1.

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  29. Actually, that's "ad nasauseam" but close.

    Also, I have no fight in this game and when you read the post you apparently skipped over the portion that said BG should move up. As should Souhegan and Plymouth. Regarding stones, I have plenty, I don't need anymore and I honestly don't care who plays in which division. If I did, I would probaly still be living in my parent's basement. Just a regular guy who enjoys sports and finds it absolutely hysterical that people think BG recruits. If they really recruited, do you think their O-line would be so small? Also, where do they go to recruit? Pop Warner, Junior High, other HS games...how does this work? And, if you know, why haven't you collected the evidence and submitted it to the state. If not you, I am sure there are journalists who would be glad to follow up. I am interested in finding out the truth...maybe I am wrong and BG really is plucking kids from all over southern NH and northern MA?

    This argument against BG is another example of people making excuses for themselves versus looking in the mirror and being accountable. Has anyone ever taken into account how hard successful teams work in the offseason versus unsuccessful teams? It's more than talent, it's committment, access to good facilities and coaching. You'll find those same ingredients in all great programs. The recruiting excuse is an just an excuse reserved for pathetic losers who refuse to make a committment to beating the best.

    That being said, BG must play D1, Exeter is a better fit for D2 and ask Souhegan and Plymouth why they feel it is so important to stay put in divisions they can easily dominate...just like BG.

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  30. Exeter comes out of this looking good. BG comes out looking bad.

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  31. Anyone know how many Mass. kids are on the BG roster?

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  32. Oh my God - not MA kids! They are really, really good. Especially when they come off the mean streets of Westford, Groton, Dracut and Dunstable! I know what you are selling, but I don't buy it. BG draws from a 20 mile radius - period. Add NH towns like Bedford, Merrimack and Amherst to your list as well. Again, very tough towns producing superior athletes!

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  33. The BG people always get testy when you bring up the Mass. angle.

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  34. Yeah, BG people think it's a joke when other bloggers bring up the Mass. angle, yet the fact remains they have the most Mass. players on any football roster in NH. Recruiting does pay off.

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  35. Just curious, why does it matter if MA kids attend BG? The school is located about 2 miles from the MA border (compliments of Google Maps). Are there better athletes in MA than NH? I am asking because I honestly do not know. I know, for example, in OH and KY (border states) this happens all the time and it is never an issue. Seems to me BG attracts students from about a 25 minute drive...this obviously includes MA. If BG is an attractive option for MA people why would they stay away?

    If MA kids are, in fact, creating an imbalance what should the NHIAA do about it? Anything? Also, hasn't BG been existence about 40 years or so?

    Jeremy, maybe you could chime in?

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  36. Did those Mass. families pay taxes to help build Stellos?

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  37. Are you suggesting that the City of Nashua would be better off without BG? No question the economic impact of a private high school is a positive for the city and its taxpayers. In addition, BG contributed thousands of dollars toward the stadium's construction. Ask the Mayor and Alderman how they feel about the school.

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  38. Yes, they have that affect on people! Always have and always will. Although in this case, it appears they are responding to allegations. No?

    In any event, no one likes dynasty's anymore. In 2001 the Pats were fun...now they are despised everywhere outside of NE. Oh well. Good luck tomorrow everyone...have a great time, it goes by fast!

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  39. Who cares if BG gets kids from Massachusetts. Kids are kids. They all put the same pads on.

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  40. everyone just whine and whine and whine about BG because you know you get spanked by them no matter what division your in. I agree BG should have moved up to D1 but is it such a loss? BG schedules games against the top D1 and Massachusetts teams anyway. Woulda coulda shoulda the fact is BG is staying all the complaining in the world wont do anything.

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  41. Bg doesnt recruit it is a phenomenal academic school stop making excuses for losing to them and grow a pair

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  42. BG does not recruit end of story that is complete garbagge that people made up with no research in an attempt to make excuses for getting stomped by them. Parents from all over NH and MA send their kids to BG for the same reason, education. It is a great school and it has always been that way. Many of you dont remember but BG wasnt always the dynasty it is today and no one complained then. If I was you, I'd be more upset that you and your kids are missing out on college opportunities than silly high school football games

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  43. Bottom line is BG has the luxury of bringing kids in from 20 different towns. That is WAY more than any other school in the NHIAA. It's not a level playing field. No one is saying that MA kids are better at sports than NH kids. It's just the principle of it. BG has the ability to have Mass kids in addition to NH kids, which means they have a bigger pool of talent to choose from. No other school has that ability. That gives them an unfair advantage. All the other schools can only have players who live in their district, and no one else.

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  44. If Exeter could draw the top two or three kids from Dover, Hampton, Plaistow, Portsmouth -- the same 20-mile radius BG has -- they'd beat this year's BG team handily.

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  45. 9:05 -
    Exeter vs. BG is Apples and Oranges.

    If Exeter could draw from a 20-mile radius they wouldn't be a public school. How do you think they built that incredible HS with top notch facilities? They built it on the backs of taxpayer money using obligation bonds.

    If BG wants to build a HS or expand facilities they must raise their own money without tax payer support. An enormous difference. And, don't give me the Catholic Diocese argument, the school is run by the Brothers of the Sacred Heart and they don't contribute a dime.

    The last time I looked St. Thomas is a private school located on the seacoast. Why aren't they drawing students from all over and drilling people? I don't know, probably because they have less to offer than their public competitors...like Exeter, Dover, Portsmouth, Timberlane, etc. Evidently, BG is able to draw where St. Thomas can't (for example).

    BG move up. Exeter stay in D2. It's makes the most sense both in quality of competition and geography. Honestly, Exeter is better off playing their natural rivals and neighbors...same for BG.

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  46. The reason that St. Thomas doesn't draw athletes from all over is that they play by the rules and they don't recruit.

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  47. your right all the whineing wont do anything but shed the truth. ok ok BG doesnt recruit TOJO does, BG doesnt want to face a tougher schedule ok we get it......................

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  48. Enough already. After reading this dribble I can't wait to see BG drill everyone they play. For goodness sake, man up (or women up depending on the sport) and beat them! Stop whining, complaining and making excuses. I've never been a BG fan, but I am now. I never thought I say this, "Let's Go Cardinals!"

    And please, pick any private school you want St. T, Bishop Brady or Trinity. Each one is in the same situation as BG. I know nothing, but could it be that St. T is not considered a much better option than the seacoast publics? Why pay taxes and tuition if the public school is good?

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  49. One thing I know about St. Thomas is that the coach (Wotton) once coached in Maine and won something like 18 titles in 19 years. His team competed at the lowest level but kept moving up even though the school had a small enromment. He ended up winning the title in Maine's largest classification. Maybe there's a lesson to be learned by BG in all of this.

    Exeter/BG is not apples and oranges, in my opinion, in this respect: BG draws from many more communities than any public school and that gives them an unfair advantage, especially when they're competing against schools from area they're drawing from (Merrimack, Hudson, etc.). If I were running the show they'd be playing in the Mass. Catholic Conference. Shorter road trip for all those parents (Cheap shot, I know).

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  50. Whatever people. Winny is tough and athletic. Exeter was soft. BG is much better than either but Winny will hang. Should be a great game...much better than the D1 final if you ask me. And yes, stop with the whining. BG is here to stay...although MA Catholic Conference is not a bad idea. They would be underdogs once again!

    I believe the blogger meant they were Apples and Oranges from a business standpoint. One draws revenue from tax payers (Exeter) while the other produces revenue from tuition and contributions (BG). In that respect, they are totally different. But, at the end of the day, 15-18 year old kids put the uniforms on...so, relax a little.

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  51. I have a telented athlete for a child and I am considering non-public educational alternatives as the athletic program at our public school is less than desirable and I can afford to look around. I had considered BG, but now after reading this blog I am concerned as I would want my child playing in the best competitive enviroment possible and I dont see how BG staying in DII offers that. I dont see how an athlete improves and reaches their potential by competing in an arena in which they dominate all the competition. You dont play better by constantly playing against weaker teams. I guess I'll probably cross BG off the list.

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  52. 6:31
    If your highest priority is athletics BG is not the best fit. Also, if your truly a parent of a child, I suggest you review your priorities before choosing a school. From first hand experience, I can tell you that BG, and most schools in NH, place academics and the development of the "whole" person ahead of sports. Athletics are only part of the experience. Food for thought as you review your HS options. Best of luck.

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  53. BG unfair advantage?? people act like BG is the first private school to come around. you say they are the best because they get kids from a 20 mile diameter, but are the kids in one area of that diameter really better than another?? it comes down to how good the players are no where they are from. On the other hand if BG had the enrollment exeter does it would probably be even more stacked.
    Trinity used to be the powerhouse bg is today and people complained then. Basically it cycles around for every team. you will or already have had your turn
    Rather than complaining its not fair just find a way to beat them. Teams in almost every other state manage to beat on their private schools. so enough excuses already

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  54. it doesnt matter where exeter draws their talent from because their system kills talent anyway. a star athlete will produce just as much as an average one in that offense because it is just an evolved pop warner offense that anyone can run

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  55. Yeah, and send him to Trinity.

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  56. Pelham is officially moving to D 3

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  57. When it is all said and done, BG will be in D1 next year and Exeter in D2. Basically, both teams will get their wish based on the request BG sent in after the initial meeting. A good move that should be made moot by consolidating six divisions into three, as championed by Roger Brown and Gary Fitz in today's Nashua Telegraph.

    Looks like Exeter vs. Winny finals in D2 for the foreseeable future...can't wait for the first BG vs. Nashua public game.

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  58. After winnacunnet handles BG at state they will be deing to move up so they don't have to play next year

    DII state champs '09- winnacunnet
    let's get it

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  59. Winny has the best shot of anyone...considering they have the last shot. Good news: they are tough and athletic. Bad news: so is Guertin. Could be a good game...stay tough Winny...you'll need a lot of energy and a bunch of breaks but anything is possible. BG, if you truly are the best team in the state, you'll handle this game as "business as usual" and not let them breath. I know I'll be there...best of luck to both teams.

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  60. WHS wont lose the game. its not gonna happen
    state is theirs
    anyone can be beat- including BG

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  61. Everyone is saying Exeter asked to move up. Not sure that is true. There enrollment grew to the point where they had to. Didn't have the choice.

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  62. Not entirely accurate 7:32. Exeter could have petitioned down. Plus Ball said he would play a D1 schedule before the teams were realigned. BG, on the other hand, had the clear choice to play in 1, but chose to stay in 2 (a pr disaster that forced them to rethink that decision).

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  63. A PR disaster or a stone-less decision by BG or both??

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  64. Funny, when a team is difficult to beat on the field they become targets off the field. Regarding stones, why don't all the anti-BG people start lifting, throwing and carrying stones around until they are are good enough to defeat Guertin on the field. Or, take the easy way out, and keep on whining and making excuses.

    Winny, start a new trend. Work hard this week and take your best shot. If you win, great! If not, don't make lame excuses.

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  65. BG's success in football pales in comparison to Plymouth's, but stones don't get thrown at Plymouth like they do at BG. BG brings this upon itself with its actions. Learn to win with class and the criticism will stop.

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  66. "Learn to win with class..."
    For example?

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  67. Stones don't get thrown at Plymouth? You must be kidding! Check out the UL online...you might as well call them Bishop Plymouth the way they get kicked around for play D4.

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  68. 4:07

    Don't shout "Dynasty" in the face of an opposing player when you win the championship.

    Don't have coaches banned from the sideline for continuous use of bad language.

    Don't allow said coach to bad-mouth opposing players when everyone else can hear.

    Don't back down from the challege of facing top competition when you're beating everyone in D2 by 30-40 points.

    Don't give lame excuses for wanting to stay in D2

    Don't allow fans to abuse officials the way they do (what happened in Exeter two years ago was an embarassment to the school).

    The list is long ...

    BG was terrible for many, many years, but by now the kids/coaches/parents should know how to handle winning: see Exeter, among others.

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  69. OK, but let's not live in a glass house. I am not saying BG is not guilty of some of the above but to think Exeter (or other schools) don't behave in a similar manner is hysterical.
    Players "shout" a lot of things - I've heard plenty at all levels from every "good" town like Exeter and "bad" school like BG

    No BG coaches have been "banned" from sidelines- fact

    Coach in question is probably guilty of bad-mouthing his own players - not sure of opposition (obviously, that would be bad)

    BG hasn't backed down - they will play D1 next year - Roger Brown reported the NHIAA did receive a letter from BG to reconsider (insert your PR come back here, we've all heard it)

    Lame excuses is your opinion - again, they will play D1 and Exeter will move back where they belong based on geography and talent - D2

    Regarding "fans", that is an outrageous comment. I've heard Exeter fans (again, the model for sportsmanship) say terrible things. Does that make them bad people, absolutely not. But it does mean they have some morons rooting for them...like every team including BG

    BG had its share of bad years, and bad coaching. Now they have great coaching and great success. Hopefully they win (or lose) with class on Saturday. If not, I know for a fact the Coach and AD will take them to task.

    Good post 4:49, I enjoyed the banter.

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  70. Pathetic people always hate on those on top. Even more pathetic people do it on an online blog.

    @the haters: When BG decimates Winnacunnet on Saturday, please do us all a favor and keep your negativity to yourself. BG is undoubtedly the top team and the state and your sorry moaning and crying is growing old.

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  71. Let's not forget the only time BG lost a championship game during the current run they blamed it on the officials -- fact -- and the coach got a one-game suspension.

    If that other coach didn't get banned I believe it was "strongly suggested" that he not coach from the sideline.

    I think it would help if the BG supporters started to acknowledge some of these actions rather than continue to defend the school at every turn. Not until then will they begin to clean up their act.

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  72. Hey 5:47:

    You are describing yourself.

    They are the top team in the state and wanted to stay in 2. How pathetic is that?

    Most schools have to consider what's best for NHIAA football. BG seems to care only about itslef.

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  73. How many sportsmanship awards has BG won on the last 10 years? ANY??? What priniples is the good catholic school teaching with a coaching staff with such profane language. Heard them over at Pinkerton the first week. The profane language used by 3 of the defensive coaches walking to the field was embarassing in front of young kids by the concession stand as the BG coaches were coming out of the locker room before the game and warm ups. Terrific example!

    You would think a private catholic school would have higher standards. Fixing this stuff starts at the top with the AD. Ooops I forgot, he is the D-2 football coach and allows this to take place.

    Winning is great. No one would be so harsh if BG cleaned up their act. Instead they have to go on the radio every week, self promote, and send out press releases to try to re-spin a new truth.. Great lessons for $11K per kid.

    BG will be great when they can win titles and sportsmanship awards. Tough to do when you have spend so much time to spin the truth. Recruiting-- quit denying it-- where did Spinny and Moore come from for their last year of school? Oh yes ToJo had articles in the paper ond on the radio to spin that they were not recurited but landed on the BG doorstep like orphand children. Give us a break.

    Which Division BG petitioned D-2. Take that to task BG supporters and demamd that BG clean up the act. Or will you take the easy way like your leader and stay in D-2.

    Congratulations to Plymouth you do it the right way.

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  74. hey 11-16 6:31 BG might be worth a second look,
    for your talented athelete-- BG competes in all of the top levels for every sport except football. For some reason all of the other programs at BG can petition to the highest level, just not the football program. Can not blame you for thinking twice.

    Since you have the financial ability, perhaps you should consider one of the many fine private boarding schools in the area for your gifted athlete. Those academic and athletic programs will do as much and probably much more than BG and you won't be settling. Also -- Hanover has one of the best public schools in the state based on test scores, with athletic programs with the best over all records in sports as reported by WMUR in the last few weeks. They compete at the top level in Lacrosse (won 2 class L titles in the last few years without recruiting). Those options give you the best academics and athletics. Good luck.

    BG has the huge waiting list. I can not understand reduced enrolment as an excuse to stay in D-2 Football. Looks like coach Johnson may have lost a future all state player.

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  75. Sportsmanship awards are truly a joke - stop hanging your hat on those. It is an argument made by Exeter people time and time again. I can't wait until BG plays the Nashua publics again where the rivalry's are truly nasty and people embrace it...I don't think Exeter was ready for that type of rivalry.

    Poor language by coaches at Pinkerton, if it happened I didn't hear it and I there as well. If there is a coaching staff that does not use foul language I applaud them. In front of kids is bad form, but I did not hear anything.


    Spinney and Moore didn't land on the doorstep, their parent's were in search of alternative high schools for children and selected BG.

    Parents who describe their children as "gifted athletes" are typically living out HS through their kids who are not gifted at all. Pathetic.

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  76. Moore joined the team during the season, after BG had played a game. What happened to the waiting list in that case?

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  77. I believe he arrived as a Junior or Senior. It is always easier to get into a school in your third or fourth year due to attrition. It works the same in college...
    If Jamie Moore's family had moved to Exeter after the first game do you think they would've let him play football? I can't imagine why not unless it broke some kind of unwritten Exeter sportsmanship protocol.

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  78. To the best of my knowledge there is no waiting list or entrance exam to get into Exeter. FYI: I don't believe the NHIAA allows you to join a team after the season has started, which makes the Moore situation all the more interesting.

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  79. Another example of BG playing by one set of rules, and everyone else playing by another. You'd think all these "smart" BG grads would get it.

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  80. I read the post this way...
    "If Jamie Moore's family had moved to Exeter..." Also, I imagine the "waiting list" into BG for rising Juniors and Seniors is much shorter than it is for rising Frosh.

    Not allow someone to join a team after the season has started...why not? In football, a player must practice a certain amount of times prior to participating in contact drills or playing in live situations but why can't they join a team?

    I don't know the particulars of the Moore situation, but considering he was an All-state player I am sure it was detailed beyond reproach. Of course, just by typing his name online, we give all "recruiting" conspiracy theorists ammunition.

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  81. BG JV team is horrible example of sportsmanship and athletics. My son plays JV for Salem HS. We played this JV team and my son was amazed at the arrogance, swearing, coaches instructions and actions that these guys displayed. Coaches were heard on the sidelines by our kids holding markers instructing thier kids to "take out #39" (he scored 3 TDs and actually knocked out one of the BG players with a clean hit)At least 3 of the BG players were not even wearing leg pads. And the kid that got knocked out (#6) was sent back into the game after the halftime. I actually have a video of him getting knocked out. All this being said, if you like your kid and he plays football, do not send him to BG.

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  82. Sorry, it was actually 28-24 Salem won.

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  83. BG a horrible example of sportsmanship?

    No surprise there.

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  84. You are correct, BG continues to churn out losers. Absolute drains on the economy. Give me a break.

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  85. I've got "video evidence" that BG fotball coaches, and some MA players, were in the grassy knoll outside the Book Depository Building in Dallas, TX on 11/22/63.

    I've kept this evidence sealed for the past 46 yeas but I now plan to share it with Oliver Stone, Roger Brown and the "JV Dad" from Salem to proove once and for all that BG's evil has no limits. Soon, the truth will be known.

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  86. Nope, just a video of a kid getting knocked unconscious during the first half of a game being sent out for the second half. Sad actually, but it says a lot about the program.

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  87. Just curious JV dad, are you a doctor or a certfied trainer? If so, did you examine the athlete before he went back into the game?

    Did BG have a trainer at the game - or did Salem? If so, did they examine and clear the player or did they say to keep him out and the coaches put him back anyway?

    You are making a very serious accusation and I hope you are basing it on all the facts.

    Re: Oliver Stone - that's funny.

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  88. Here are the only facts that I do know. I was at the game. #39 is a very quiet kid, never talks much, but when he was asked about the hit, he told us that the kid went 'limp' as soon as he hit him. We went back and looked at the video and he did not move 'at all' for almost 30 seconds. Those are the only facts that I know. The regular medic was there, on the Salem sideline, but didn't get to the other side until the kid was helped back to his bench. Those are the only facts that I know. Yes, there is speculation there, but it is what we all believe we saw. If you know BG JV players, ask about #6 and the Salem game, you may be suprised.

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  89. JV dad. hate to say it but no one cares about JV games. They are to develope kids into future varsity athletes because up there winning is priority on any team. Sorry if there is swearing but these kids are growing up like it or not and im positive Salem kids and coaches are the same way.
    Exeter fans like to talk about BG bad sportsmanship but the fact of the matter is the Exeter kids throw punches, trash talk, and play dirty as or more often than any team in the state. Sorry to break it to you but all your little angel kids are not perfect
    for the las time people dont send their kids to BG becaue of recruiting or any other rediculous accusation people make up, they send them there to be better prepared for college

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  90. is it really worth it to bring out a 46 year old video even on the off chance that your absurd accusations are true?
    I see more poor sportsmanship on these post than i have in any football game before. just sore losers everywhere here
    seriously people you lost to BG, you'v probably lost other games too. Rarely does any team go undefeated. They are good. Not the best team ever (phillistine) but they are really good. rather than make excuses and talk about how evil these high school coaches and kids are just get over it. These are 18 year old kids we are talking about here

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  91. Good luck to ALL of the teams today. Will be good football. Too bad the games were not all at Stellos, Gill or UNH.

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  92. 10 AM
    Head's up, an attempt at humor just flew by your head. If you are a BG student, for $11 K per year I hope they teach history.

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  93. The BG Vs Salem JV game that I referred to was this year, not old. #6 was by far thier best player, he will play next year BG Varsity for sure. I watched all of Salems JV games this year and those of you who think that all of the other teams are like BG are nuts. I had never even heard of BG until this year. I don't follow HS football, just have been watching my sons team since he was 8. I have no reason to dislike BG, am just speaking fact, of the 10 games that we played this year, this was the only entirely classless bunch. Sure all teams have a kid or two, some coaches even, but for this one game, it was the entire team.

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  94. BG and Salem did play this year...was this a "sophomore" game played on a Wednesday?

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  95. did it ever occur to anyone that if a kid wants to play it is not the business of an outside parent from another team to examine him and determine if he can or cant?
    that you have nothing better to do than try and destroy high school coaches reputations is just plain disgusting to me. Johnson and Phillips love their players above anything else and if a kid was not able to play, they would sit him.
    Carver was trying to play in the state championship for them this weekend on a torn ACL (which is just plain dumb and rediculous) and Johnson wouldnt put him in.
    These and all other coaches work hard because they love the kids and for anyone to try to shame them like that is just awful

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  96. The BG Sophmore team played Salem on a Monday at Salem. This #6 kid from BG was running all over Salem until he was knocked unconsious. After he areturned in the second half he was a non factor. Say whay you will coached love kids whatever... if you get knocked out in a 'meaningless' JV game, why go in again at all? Of course the player will want to go in. And as far as the state championship game, all eyes are on that one, no one but 6 parents are at the JV game, not quite the same actions will be taken by the coaches in those two situations. ...And By the way... you would not be able to tell that is was a meaningless JV game by listeneing to the BG coach... what a real winner that guy was.

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  97. 8:45,
    You do know that you have accused the Salem trainer of criminal negligence, don't you? And you are guilty of doing nothing about it, except writing anonymously to a blog. Any decent person would not stand by while a 15 year old is put in such a dangerous situation. I know I wouldn't! Fortunately, it never happened. I have seen every game that Tim Bateson, #6 to you, has played in the last two years.

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  98. 6:19
    If that is true, you saw the hit that I'm talking about. It took him out of the game for the remainder of the 2 qtr. Can you please describe the play? Whether he was knocked out or not, you surely remember the play.

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