Sunday, November 22, 2009

Division Realignment - Basketball

3/25/10
For the next 2 year cycle, Bow and Monadnock will be moving down to Division III, Sanborn will be moving up to Division II, and Kearsarge will be staying in D-II.

I just got off the phone with Bow Athletic Director Jim Kaufman, and he confirmed these changes.

At first it did not make sense to me that Bow is moving down and Sanborn is moving up, considering how good each school was at basketball this season. Sanborn won 2 games in boys basketball in Class M and Bow was the #7 seed in Class I and almost beat Pembroke in the quarterfinals.

But from speaking with Kaufman, there was more that went into it. For one, Bow's enrollment next year is only going to be 540 students. There are some Division II schools that will have between 1100-1300 kids, so competing in the same division as those schools wouldn't make much sense.

"We looked at our boys and girls basketball teams as a package deal" he said. "Because of scheduling, it makes much more sense to have both the boys and the girls teams playing in the same division" he went on. "The girls team was ok with staying up in Division II. But 2 years ago the boys team only won 4 games, so Coach Goudreau was hesitant about staying up there." Kaufmen concluded, "We've petitioned up the last 2 years to be in Class I."

Starting with the 2010-2011 season that will no longer be the case. The other factor here for Bow, is local rivalries. Bow, Bishop Brady, Pembroke, Merrimack Valley, John Stark and Kearsarge all enjoy very nice rivalries with each other. Anytime two of these schools play each other, the stands are packed. And there is also less travel time and costs involved. By moving down to Division III, Bow won't have as many local rivalries as they did in Division II.

As for Sanborn, over the last 5 or 6 years in Class M we have averaged between 2-4 wins a year. Yes, we have an enrollment of 750 which puts us in Division II. But competition-wise we are more suited for Class M play. We petitioned the NHIAA to stay in Division III, but it was denied unfortunately. The enrollment number hurt our case. What also hurt our case was that the first year we were in Class M, 2000-2001, (my freshman year) we won 9 games and 2 years ago we won 8. Other than those 2 years though, we've only won between 1-3 games a year. Oh well, what are you going to do.

21 comments:

  1. I agree Jeremy,

    Who cares how many kids are enrolled in your school when it comes to sports like basketball. Look at the enrollment of schools like Berlin, Mascoma heck even White Mountains...these guys could play in D-II and do well. Bow moves because of also travel time....what about monadnock...they are a physically "big" team...probably going to dominate a good D-III team. Now they are in D-III...travel for them is going to be a problem....are they going to play at Berlin, Mascoma, White Mountains so the travel thing for me is hog wash....this realignment is for the birds. All you have to do is look at who are on these committee's are they doing it in the best interest of the districts they represent? Really how well will a young team like newfound or inter-lakes do against bow or monadnock

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  2. I think the only thing that will make D-III and IV fair is to use the point system that class I used for this past season.

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  3. Monadnock won't be dominating anyone for a long time, in any division. They were big last year but those kids all graduated. They would not be a favorite in D4.

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  4. Keene should go D2.
    Conant should go D2 or if D1, because they think they are better than they are!!!
    They think they sre great but would never move up a division.
    G-town is also going D2.
    Portsmouth should be D1, but won't. They had no problem when they had all the kids from the base going their & winning multiple championships in class L. Base closes they drop & now are a top class I (D2) team.

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  5. I love how Conant doesn't say anything and just wins. They have not said they are better than anyone on here. They have not posted anything or trash talked...Observers (and many are coaches, writers, and parents from other teams) are the ones that have said they can play with anyone in the state. To their credit they concentrate on the only thing that matters and that is playing the games! And why the jab at Portsmouth? No reason for it, the school is not as big as it once was. Sounds like a bitter fan to me!!!!

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  6. Portsmouth is still one of if not the biggest in I. They should win in every sport. I dont see why they get to play against schools with 650 kids.

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  7. Last years Class I Final Portsmouth 1200 students, Pelham 620 students. Should be 5 divisions. That would even everything out.

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  8. I totally agree with 9:57...5 divisions would solve a lot of the issues regarding travel and such sizes differences inside classes

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  9. Anyone who doesn't think the size of the school matters needs to go watch a class S basketball game. I'm sure the kids down there give it there all, but the level of play is definitely weaker.

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  10. When one is talking about the size of the school, realize that about 7-8 years ago that changed the rule from all schools that had more than 1000 students being class "L" to 1250 students and larger being class "L".

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  11. The NHIAA keeps adjusting the perameters of the classes/divisions...instead of adding a 5th one...now class I ranges from 700-1250...M ranges from 350-699...too big a gap...they need a 5th div to even out the schools in that 300-1000 student range

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  12. It's not 700. it's 650 to 1250. Otherwise Lebanon Kearsarge Pelham and Bow would be in Class M. Too big a gap

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  13. The reason they keep adjusting is because schools like Souhegan and Portsmouth do not want to run quality programs in all sports and still be competitive. It's the larger schools in I and the L schools making the decisions and the little guys paying for it. You can always look at one team in one sport and say that enrollment doesn't matter. Pelham maybe the smallest class I school but they rot in all sports but boy's basketball.

    Needs to be another division

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  14. How about in Class L, Winny about 1300, Pinkerton about 3500. You can compete with the larger schools.

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  15. that's not the best example, 6:48...there are only 1-3 schools with enrollments above 2000, while there are about 30 between 400 and 1000. And the smaller you get, the less depth you have. Winny probably get 50+ at tryouts...Pinky might get 85-100...most of M and S schools don't even cut because they don't get the tryout numbers...and a lot of I schools may get 20-25...still a good pool to draw from out of 50...much more limited when it's in the 25 and under area.

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  16. Jeremy, If there was another division then Sanborn would be in the correct division but because there is such a big gap they are in alot of trouble. Sanborn should play little class I schools and big class M schools.

    It's too bad places like CBNA and Oyster River have great programs and can't win it because they have to compete with schools much larger.

    Hat's off to Winni but they are the exception and not the rule (as are all super rich communities)

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  17. There are more than 1-3 schools with enrollment above 2000. Pinkerton Central, Memorial, the 2 Nashua schools, might be a couple of others.

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  18. Salem was not sure now because of Windham leaving

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  19. The whole logic of moving schools down for poor performance doesn't make sense to me. The reason why states set up divisions based on enrollment is to reflect generally that schools of the same size will be competitive across the board. Generally, that is true. For example, Conant has had strong basketball teams for years but is terrible at soccer and decent at baseball. Sanborn is lousy at basketball but strong in other sports, like soccer. That would indicate that the system works.
    I understand if certain programs that are good want to move up, but it doesn't work well in reverse. Say a school moves down despite higher enrollment due to poor performance. Are they immediately sent back up if they have one good year or two?
    Make the divisions based on enrollment. If you want to petition up for whatever reason (like Hopkinton and Hinsdale once did, and maybe certain schools in certain sports will now), that's fine. But schools should move down for only one reason--enrollment, not performance. Otherwise, this system is going to collapse in on itself pretty quickly.

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  20. Winni, super rich community? Not sure about that but what does that have to do with # of kids going out for basketball program?

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  21. Super duper rich actually, Only Hanover and Amherst are richer (Hanover super succesful, Souhegan very good at sports)

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