Wednesday, September 29, 2010

NH Notebook Football Power Poll - Week 5


Here's how I see it right now. I'm feeling pretty confident with the order I have the teams in right now. It's high school football though. Anything can happen over the next few weeks, and that's what makes it fun.

1) Nashua North
North was my #1 team last week, and then they went and walloped Central. Over the last 2 weeks Winnacunnet has BARELY beaten a pair of teams who are longshots for the playoffs. And North just crushed Pinkerton 2 weeks ago. Going by recent play the Titans are the undisputed #1 team in the state right now. Then vs. BG would have been a fun game to watch if Kelly was still healthy.

2) Winnacunnet
Not playing the best football right now, but they're finding a way to win. They get the nod over Pinkerton because they're still undefeated.

3) Pinkerton
Good win last weekend over Salem. Their schedule eases up next 2 weeks when they play Londonderry and Exeter. Then we find out what they really have vs. Brockton. QB Chris St. One is emerging as one of the season's breakout players. More good news for the Astros is that two-way standout Luke Somers returned to the lineup last week from his leg injury.

4) Bishop Guertin
Clearly they're not as good without Kelly, but BG is a football factory. Tony has other guys he can plug into the lineup and produce, like Pete Fucci and Zack Mailloux. Guertin has a culture of winning and just

5) Salem
So Far Salem has beaten up on the teams they're supposed to beat and lost to the good teams. This Friday vs. North is their chance to show that they're a legit title contender in D-I.

6) Souhegan
I don't care what anyone says, Souhegan is the favorite going into their game with Manchester Central this Friday night. The sabers are flat out playing better football right now. I'm expecting a good, hard fought game.

7) Keene
Keene is still undefeated on the season, and with the talent they have they could easily still be unbeaten heading into their last 2 games of the season when they play BG and Winnacunnet. That's when we'll really find out how good they are.

8) Manchester Central
They have now gotten stomped by both Salem and Nashua North in recent weeks. Central is a good team, but they have show that they can't play with the big boys. Remember it wasn't until the second half of the season last year until they came together. We'll see if Coach Ray can pull it off again this year. The Little Green play at Stellos Stadium vs. South in the last week of the season in a game which very well could decide the fourth and final playoff spot in D-I.

9) Nashua South
Yes they have offensive firepower. But like I mentioned in my game story from their game vs. Memorial, I was not impressed at all with their defense, especially their pass defense. McRae is a heck of a playmaker and they have some decent players on defense, but not enough right now. They could have easily lost that game to Memorial on Friday night and if they did they wouldn't be in my top 10.

10) Trinity
I put them in the 10 spot last week, and they solidified that position with a convincing 39-6 win over Plymouth. Trinity hosts Lebanon in the last game of their regular season the day before Halloween. What's even scarier is that there's a chance both squads will be undefeated going into that contest. If that's the case, I WILL be at that game.

107 comments:

  1. Jeremy, where would you rank BG if Kelly was 100%? Just curious....

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  2. Winny v Exeter is always close

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  3. Before the Kelly injury I had BG as the #1 team. So they would definitely be either #1 or #2 right now if he was still in the lineup.

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  4. Okay Souhegan! Time to put up or shut up. Play Central hard......

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  5. Central is 1 dimensional, if they fall behind by a couple if TDs, they will have a hard time getting back in the game. If Souhegan has a good, balanced attack and can score quickly, they will win.

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  6. what about Timberlane? only loses were to Guertin and Pinketon 2 top 5 teams.

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  7. Timberlane has been impressive from what i know. One huge question mark I have though is their 36 to 26 win vs west. Kind of close. Any reason why?

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  8. How is Winnie number 2? They have just scraped by Dover and Exeter.They beat North but didnt north have their starters out during that second half? Right now I would have them behind BG, who is manhandling everyone they face.

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  9. 7:01 - really? you were at the North/Winni game and saw no North starters playing in the second half. Which game were you watching, JV? Freshman? The best comment I've read about that game is that North played uninterested in the second half.

    Winni may not be winning with grace, but they find a way to win. If there's a negative I see with them it's that I'd expect their QB to have much more control and better numbers than he has. He's pretty much started for 3 years, but there's still a lot of misplays. Whether that's his fault or his teammates, I'm not sure. I only got to see game #1.

    I do think North is where they belong. PA w/ Somers is a much deeper/better team than played North, but North is probably still better. Salem has a huge put up or shut up game this weekend. South/Concord is another critical game.

    BG will have its hands fully with CM Friday. Apparently they've got a couple of speedsters, much like Salem/North have. Merri/Timberlane will show which program has advanced the most this year. Both are very similar - should be a good game to watch.

    Most "interesting" matchup this week has got to be Central/Souhegan.

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  10. They're number 1 on the union leader poll! The North starters were in the entire game plus OT. Frankly, Winnie outplayed and out coached North that night, have to give them credit for that. However I think the result would be different if they played again. North handled PA and Central handily but Winnie just barely won their last two games.

    I think they're rated too high and Winnie will be manhandled by BG. I'll bet they would not beat PA or Salem, teams Winnie is in front of.

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  11. Central gets the early nod for the "Biggest Disappointment in A Team" award.

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  12. See this is what I don't get. You have SHS at number 6 now and had them at number 6 at the end of last year, but yet you say last year's team was way better? Were you wrong about last year's team or this year's?

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  13. 8:51, the teams at the top were better last year that's why.

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  14. Remember when Plymouth used to argue the way Souhegan does now? I hope they meet a similar fate.

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  15. Lebanon? Are we close Jeremy? We do have two legit d1 football players

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  16. Salem had some player incidents that may take them out of this thing. They are far from a cohesive unit now and doubt has crept in. They stand a team divided. If North is not a pretender, they should crush Salems will tomorrow ending thier run.

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  17. Can we get a look at lower division teams? The divisions aren't stacked by how well the teams are. it goes by school size. And I hate how just because we don't have a hundred kids on the team doesn't mean were not good. we go to camp with D 3 and d4 teams that are good and run house. It's all about who wants it more. It's been like this since I was a little kid in pop warner well I played those kids who would be in d1 d2 d3 and guess what we mercy ruled them.

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  18. 8:33

    You are way off base to say they are not a cohesive unit. That team has veteran leadership so they will be just fine BTW I heard it was one incident and the kid that got in trouble was not a starter. I would not write this team off yet still a lot of football to be played.

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  19. I do think North is the best team in the state, but they did lose to Winnacunnet. You have to take fact over opinion. Not expecting BG to lose this weekend, but it could happen.

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  20. please d3 and 4 are even jokes. that is just not a sound argument at all. and actually statistically speaking, trends show teams with less numbers tend to lose handily to teams who conistently have a big football team. and also im sorry but pop warner isnt a good barometer at all. transfers and kids just starting in high school and weight limits restrict that. i know bg last year had a few whose pop warner team was like 6th in the country. the salem players transferred and nashua consistently had bad pop warner programs but has good high school ones.

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  21. jeremy im glad to see you finally put BG ahead of Salem. but i would still have BG even higher. with kelly they are definately the best team in the state hands down, but i would argue that we've seen nothing to say that they arent the best team even without him. its not like it was 1 on 11 kelly beating salem. yeah he ripped them up but salem showed no defense against any of the other bg kids either. and keep in mind bg defense only gave up 14 points.
    also i dont see why central is on here at all. ive been saying it for years that central is a vastly overrated program. their impressive wins come from the other teams being overrated and not being ready to play. not from central being good.

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  22. Salem was way over hyped from the start, Expect North to run over them and win by 3TD's.

    Timberlane-Merrimack should end up telling the story in D2. With a Timberlane win, Merrimack
    settles in for a long season with Keene and Winnacunnet still to play which could send Merrimack to 5th and out of playoff show.

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  23. 11:50
    Only one other kid made a significant play on offense that wasn't named Kelly and that is because 1/2 the team decided to cover Kelly on the play. Give it up already, Kelly was BG. With Kelly the last game isn't even in the same stratosphere. 24-3 and 14 points were in under a 2 minute span? With Kelly you score 45 in that half, not 14. you are fortunate they are still where they are. They still belong well above Salem, but they are pretty much where they belong.... Salem is too high.

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  24. Timberlane struggled with West, not sure they are legit.

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  25. 1:24 - according to the box score, the starting qb (lawrence) didn't play. news clippings prior to alvirne indicated reason was concussion. probably suffered on (his?) penalty during PAT in BG game (kid was down and out).

    I'm OK w/ BG's and Salem's placement. Until BG beats someone significant w/o Kelly, then they are probably where they should be. PA being 3rd is fine as long as their top players are healthy. Let's see how the SHS/Central game turns out before dropping Salem any lower. Keene's probably a bit overrated based solely on who they've played. One more "scrimmage" this week until their real season starts...

    The merri v. timby game will prove more about each team than continual comparisons to BG. Both still have to play Keene and one of the 3 will be on the outside of the playoffs.

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  26. Merrimack gave BG fits, if Timberlane beats them they are legit.

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  27. Merrimack gave BG fits in the first quarter after that they were dominated in every phase of the game. It looks to me that Merrimack needs more depth and better conditioning

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  28. If BG can pull out a win with their injury situation they should get a crack at the number one rating. But then again it only really counts after the third week in November after the playoffs

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  29. 3:35 - yeah that second half merri really stopped BG huh? Only scored 7 points, but probably held the ball for 18 minutes while Merri could only muster 11 second half plays. Ho hum... Emotion can only carry you so long, then skill, depth, and ability take over.

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  30. Salem is not overrated and can beat North. North is playing extremely well now, but Salem is capable of winning. It's hard to call anyone a favorite in this game, although the nod has to go to Salem as defending champs and home team.

    The junk about Salem being in shambles is nonsense. Gati is a great coach and his boys will be focused on a W Friday night. Too much veteran leadership to let one kid's indiscretions wreck their season.

    North is in good position for an upset but they need to reduce the number of penalties. No way to predict whether this game is close or a blowout. Both teams have quick strike and ground out the clock capabilities.

    Merrimack did not give BG fits. BG is hands down the best team in D2. Winnie is not going to beat them when they play.

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  31. "With Division III starting to look like Bedford is the only team to threaten yet another run by the Sabers a win here would finish them at 2-0 on the season against Division I opponents. Run the table the rest of the way and they have to be ranked as a top 5 team in the state when it is all said and done."

    -Thursday Thoughts, NHsportspage.com

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  32. Timberlane only let up two touchdowns with their first defense on the field against West. they dominated West and Alvirne (past two games)..two teams that, on paper, they should beat. They dominated Alvirne on both sides of the ball for all 48 minutes and put up a hell of a fight against BG three weeks ago.

    Merrimack/Timberlane, in my eyes, is to see who will finish as the #4 (maybe #3) seed in Division II.

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  33. I would call a Salem win an upset friday night.

    I agree 100% that Gati is a great coach, but the nod goes to North by 3TDS

    Anyone catch WMUR FNL with Batista calling BG "The Bully" , one of the funniest/saddest pre-game speeches. It looked like some of his players were laughing at him. WMUR really should have gone with a different opening since
    it was obviously filmed thinking the Merrimack was going to smash BG , and by the score and the reports that doesnt look like it happened.

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  34. Who will win the BG-Catholic Memorial Game? My guess, Catholic Memorial.

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  35. I don't understand how BG says it 'dominated' the game in the second half. The object of the game is to score, not hold the ball. If BG could have scored more than 14 points they would have. It's not like they were getting to the end zone then stopping.

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  36. Note to Coach Batista, keep the media outside when giving the pre-game speech....you looked silly and it worked for 10 minutes then you team went away...In the Nashua Telegraph had a story about Merrimack competing with BG for players, is that recruiting by Merrimack, inviting middle schoolers to the weight room? BG program is around 5-10% of kids from Merrimack. The rest are from, Nashua, Tyngsboro, Dracut, Bedford, Peperhill, Dunstable, Westford, Hudson, Pelham, Windham....ect So even though Merrimack gets up for for BG most of the BG kids look at Merrimack as just another game. And just because some kids leave their home town for BG doesn't decimate their programs. BG's biggest rival for players could be Central Catholic in Lawrence not the surrounding town programs

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  37. 8:53
    BG totally dominated not just the second half but the 2nd qtr also, Johnson decided to pound the ball, BG has a lot of injuries so the object when the score was 21-3 was to run the clock and end the game, Merrimack ran only 11 plays in the second half and used about 4 min off the clock, Merrimack took a physical pounding, got dominated and lost by 25 points. BG ran 2 or three plays the whole time. Merrimack knew what what being run but they couldn't stop it. Remember you throw to score but you run to win.

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  38. 2:21
    You are funny. Have watched BG for years now. They NEVER start running the clock at 21-3. EVER, and they didn't that day. they played as hard as they could in the second half and mustered 7 points. You take away that less than two minute 14 point swing to end the half and you have a more realistic score for how the game went. BG is usually about igniting the running clock before letting up, that has not happened this year. Salem has ignited a running clock twice. (35 point lead, it's the only way they can win)The BG team is not dominant by any means, but they win and thats all that matters.

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  39. Random question. Is there a website a person can go to in order to see Offensive and Defensive statistics?

    Are teams required to track stats?

    Do they have to report them somewhere and if so can the public get them or is totally on the team?

    Anybody know...thanks!~

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  40. I don't know who you are, but you seem to hold some kind of ill will towards Merrimack. WHY???

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  41. I second the motion of the one that said lower divisions. I guarantee my division 6 team would compete with most of the higher teams. Like he said its about size of school not the greatness of the program...

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  42. Plymouth is a joke? pretty sure there d4 and there nasty. Lebanon is a joke? and do you even play football? and your telling me that kids coming into high school having NO football experience other than back yard are going to make a huge difference? And teams with more kids usually win. But not all the time. because they get more of a break, there not as tired. That's why they win. You want to impress me win w/o the numbers win with the heart and determination. win with shear will when your outsized and they laugh at you. And you come out and smack them right in the mouth. Because I live for that. I've always been stuck in the lower divisions in everything because of were I live. But I'll go up against anyone.

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  43. 8:46 - you take away the "emotion" Merri has to start the game getting 2-3 big/long plays to get within FG range and Merri doesn't score. They got the 10 and no further. So what. For you to say BG didn't dominate Merri in the second half means you stopped paying attention after the middle of the 2nd period. The 14 points were scored after a long BG drive, a quick 3-and-out by Merri - including a long pass attempt which saved Tojo a timeout, and a long TD pass as time expired. From that drive on - Merri was emotionally drained. You could see it in the body language on the players on the sideline and on their faces as they walked into the locker room. It has to be demoralizing to have that rousing speech about beating the bully and still be down 21-3 at half knowing you have to kick off, too. I half expected an onside kick especially after the silly fake punt on 4th and 20 from your own 35-ish... That was *the* momentum changer in the game - think about what happened to Merri after that failed.

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  44. As far as I see it. BG has won 3 games 1 to a winless Spaulding,a 2-1 Timberlane and a 2-1 Merrimack. Let me see them dominate another winning team.

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  45. 12:40
    I'm not from Merrimack and did not see the game. I am just saying that a game is not 'dominated' if you score 7 in the entire 2nd half and 14 over a span of 1:57 in the first half. Same thing happened at the Pink North game. It was a close game till back to back scores over two minutes. The Final score was 31-7 and no one claims that North Dominated Pinky. Get over it already, you did not dominate Merrimack. You were supposed to win by 45 points and you won by a deceiving 25. The game was much closer than that. If they were to play 10 times it sounds like it would be 5-5.

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  46. Salem 2010 = Salem 2008. Picked to dominate and not even make the playoffs. I predict they finish 4-7 (If they get a little lucky along the way). 1/2 of the team already realizes its over, after tonight the other half will know too.

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  47. hey 8:34, well they did and that was from the inside. and as pointed out earlier it wasn't two touchdowns in the last 2 minutes it was a touchdown after a 6 min drive then a last second touchdown because of un-disciplined Merrimack play, how you leave the center of the field open is beyond me, Cuipa made a nice read. I don't dislike Merrimack because I 'm a BG alum from Mass so I don't care about them, personally I'm more excited with BG and CM

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  48. hey 12:57 did BG beat Salem...badly

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  49. if they played 10 times Merrimack with those really good skill position athlets could win twice at the most, that is gien Johson is game planning and Battista is making speaches

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  50. From what I have read here Salem is overated.

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  51. Hey 1:16 - funny - you point out you weren't there and that score doesn't always tell the story, but yet proclaim that just because they scored only 7 points in the 2nd half and they didn't win by 45, thus they couldn't dominate... BTW, who said anything about 45 point blowout? Do you do your NFL picks by the color of the jersey or who has the better looking QB, too? Anyone who knows a lick about football will tell you if you control the line of scrimmage and can push your opponent back 5-8 yards at a time by running strictly tackle to tackle, then you can claim you dominated your opponent. The score means jack if you have a lead, maintain the lead, and your opponent cannot score because they cannot get the ball back.

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  52. I am a Pinkerton fan and Salem was overated but by their fans. I saw the media picking them as solid favorites to compete for another title which was/is accurate but their fans were comparing them to all time teams that had won three or four titles in a row. I think Salem/North will be a good game, slight edge to North. North is a very good team but they are not as good as they are being made out to be right now. I guess hype goes with the territory and I know Pinkerton has a shot at the title this year but wasn't #1 when they were ranked there. I think PA or North would beat Winni right now. In D1 I think it is North, Pinkerton, Salem, and then Central and South fighting it out for the 4th spot. Remember PA had some injuries when they played North. They have a loaded Brockton (#3 MA. loaded with scholarship players) team to face after Ltown and Exeter and it is Saturday night in Brockton which is an intimidating place to play, hopefully they will do well. Best of luck to BG against Catholic Memorial (#8 MA)GO NH!

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  53. Come on BG, beat the tar out of CM. Let them know football is played north of 495.

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  54. Good point, this could be the only game BG plays all year in which every NH team should be rooting for them....

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  55. 1:16. I wouldn't say "dominate" because they didn't break any long plays. Mostly 4 to 8 yards per play. I could be wrong, but I think Merrimack got only 1 first down after the first quarter; BG had at least 15. The only reason they didn't get 2 TDs in the second half was because they took a knee twice deep in Merrimack's end. The Merrimack coach referred to BG as the bully and his team as the intimidators. All the players with grass stains on their backside seemed to be wearing blue.

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  56. 1:16 Apparently, the 6 plus minutes of the drive to the TD don't count. And according to you even the few seconds for the play that resulted in the TD is excluded. Therefore the nine TDs that Winni scored against Spaulding took zero seconds. For the other 48 minutes, Spaulding won by 7 even though Winni won by a deceiving 56.

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  57. Hey 1:27
    Last I checked, Salem is NOT a winning team.

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  58. 1:59
    When a team relies on "ball control" it's because they can't score 50. Just face it already, they are not dominant and did not dominate that game. Had Kelly been there, do you think that Merrimack could stopped him from scoring 5 or 6 times? The answer to that is NO, BG could have run the same exact plays and a healthy Kelly scores 5 times against that team.

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  59. 4:07
    Haha, they didn;t score cause the took two knees. Thats funny, they didn't score on all the plays where they were actually trying... but for some reason, on the two where they wern't, they would have scored for sure. That's funny.

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  60. 4:47 They didn't score on the previous plays because they were further than the 4 to 8 yards that they gained on each play. Assuming Merrimack didn't find the answer that had been failing them for last dozen plays, then the next play or two was probably finishing in the end zone.

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  61. 12:57 Hey, give Spaulding its due. They're not winless. They have a win. I know it's not much but hey, it's a win.

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  62. Ouch! Salem fans must be wincing at that comment! I guess they deserve it. But (12:57) 3 games into the season, you can't beat a team with a record better than 2-1 because you've given them a loss, right?

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  63. South 34 - Concord 0, at half.

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  64. 1:20 Pretty harsh words from someone who I doubt knows anything about this football team. This a group of terrific kids. A large portion of these kids delivered a D1 Championship to Salem last year. This is a team right now that is 2-1 in the Division with alot of football to be played. I have followed this team for many years and knew the players on the 2008 team. There is no comparison and with outstanding young men like Matt Cannone, Joe Diplama and Max Jacques leading this team barring injuries I am pretty confident they will in the mix come playoff time.

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  65. most overrated team in division 2 winnie,barely beat dover and exeter,left starters in to crush hapless spaulding.most underrated team in division 2 timberlane.leading rusher in the state combined with a defense that is second only to BG's in division 2.

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  66. d2 game of the week- timby vs merritown,winner has inside track,loser could end up 5th.

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  67. Hey 1:59
    that game was dominated the best way you can dominate by telling you where the ball is going, going there, and you not being able to stop it, face it Merrimack was out classed, out hit, and totally out played. BG was not risking their skill people in the open field given the nature of the events and trash talking leading up to the game.....21-3 at half might has well been 50-3 Merrimack wasn't getting back into that game. BG after a penalty was 3rd and 10 went into a power set (Power I (two fullbacks), two tight ends just in case you didn't know what a power set is) and ran it. Dont you think that if they wanted to ring the scoreboard they would have thrown it since the receivers were open all day. They took the safe play ran the clock and ended the game. Should they see Merrimack in the playoffs Merrimack won't get off so easy.

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  68. They should call it ivision 1,cuz there is no d in it,salem 64 north 57,sounds more like a hoops score.THE FANTOM

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  69. BG was supposed to beat Merri by 45? No. With Kelly they win by 45 but w/o Kelly they won by 25. That sounds about right.

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  70. north beat salem in hoops last year 59-56,never heard of such a ridiculous football score.defensive coaches should be ashamed.

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  71. Salem 67 North 54 you can say what you want about the defenses struggling but these two offenses and their players are both very special.

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  72. 12:51
    Salem scored 53 of 67 points today out of a power set. That is two tight ends and 3 backs, in case you didn't know what a power set is. 28 against Merrimack is weak.

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  73. 8:03
    In 2008 Cannone was the starting QB, Jacques and DePalma were role players. Same team, same results coming. The players that made a difference in 2009 are long gone and you are left with those 3 from 2008.

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  74. 6:02 clearly you do not have a clue about Salem football, did you see what happened today. Salem just defeated the top team Nashua North in D1 to date.Every year and every team is diefferent but this team is nothing like 08 where those three kids were sophmores...

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  75. Lebanon 35-0 after the first quarter against Kingswood.

    Jeremy, are we close???

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  76. Sorry, correction Pinkerton 35 Londonderry 0

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  77. Kelly would have made no difference in the Merrimack game beecause the desicision was made not to run up the score. The only thing that would have happened is we would have scored the points sooner.....

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  78. the team I wouldn't want to be this week,DOVER.

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  79. 5:23
    Why do BG people keep insisting that Kelly made no difference on that team? It really does not make you look all that good.

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  80. D1 this week;
    Pinkerton-Exeter= PA wins
    North-South= North Wins
    Salem-Timberlane= Salem wins
    Central-Londonderry= Central wins
    Memorial-Concord= Memorial wins
    Whatcha think?

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  81. 7:37
    Agree with all except I think that Concord beats Memorial.

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  82. Kelly made a huge difference in that BG had to develop a different style of play, the CM game was a good example of that as BG got burnt by CM's speed twice and was the difference in the game. Plus the CM QB Doyle is the real deal constantly beating the blitz with quick reads and great escapability for a big kid. BG hung in there but made some mistakes which were capitalized on. The good news for BG is that Dover runs the same offense as CM but with not as much speed as CM. It will be interesting where CM ends up in the Catholic Conference as there are some top teams such as Xaverian, BC High, St Johns Prep. Well on to Dover. BG is gaining experience as they start 8 underclassmen on defense

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  83. The way that North played defense, I think you should re-think your prediction. South can score at will.

    The rest of the picks are straightforward.

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  84. South only put up 14 points on Pinkerton. North is tougher on D than Pinkerton. Salem put up 31 on Pinkerton on a bad day. Salems offense is just ridiculous to begin with and you throw in a couple of 10 yard punts and some bad special teams play and you get 67 points. North will beat South fairly easily I think.

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  85. Congrats to the Salem Kickoff team. Last week the Kick Off coverage was a large contributing factor in the loss at Pinkerton. At the North game Salem's Kickoff team played with a purpose. They never let Williams or Gathright get much yardage. Saulnier had consistently good deep kicks and the coverage was there.

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  86. Hopefully the Salem Coaching staff can make the same adjustments with their defense this week. Salem's defense was terrific in the first quarter than went to sleep giving up 54 points over the rest of the game. You can't have your offense play defense by scoring points..

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  87. North is not tougher on defense than Pinkerton! Let me get this sraight Salem puts up 31 on PA because they had a bad day and they put up 67 on North's tougher defense why? They must have really had a good day. Pinkerton's defense won't give up 67 points to Brockton in two weeks, I can pretty much guarantee that. 67-54 is a complete disregard for play on the defensive side of the ball period.

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  88. Timberlane is the real deal. In the West game, the starting qb didn't play and there was not one pass. Alvirne was a blow out for them. The win against Merrimack was huge!!! Their only losses are to Pinkerton and BG.

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  89. Salems Defense was not totally the problem on that Saturday. They were getting ready to go up 35-0 and threw an interception in the end zone that was taken back 102 yards for the TD. On the ensuing Kickoff, Salem forgot that the ball was live and did not pick it up after it came to rest on the 25 yd line, Nashus recovered scored and bingo it's 35-14. There were actually quite a few strange plays like this as you can imagine with 54 points.

    As for the 67 points that Salem got Nashuas Defense was not entirely to blame either, same types of strange things were happening. Back to back punts of 10 yards after fumbles and bad snaps and before you know it its 28-0 and really not much yardage gained. It was just a strange day all the way around.

    These great offenses account for 40 points during any given D1 game that is played, the other 27 and 14 were simply really strange plays. You will not see it again on both sides of the all.

    Remember, Salem was stopped at the 1 by Pinky to end the game or that Pinky D gives up 38 or 39 with no strange plays. Nashua had no issue stopping Pinky and scored a ton.

    These two offenses are capabale of putting up 50 points now that they are in mid season form. If you give them any breaks, it can and did get out of hand. It was a strange football game that kept getting stranger. Both Defenses are capable of much better. In fact, before the game, Nashua had the Stingiest D in the state.

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  90. Here is something interesting with the new points system.
    If North, Salem and Pinkerton each finish the season at 4-0 in D1 here is how it shakes out.
    1. Pinkerton 32 points
    2. Salem 31 points
    3. North 31 points

    This would set up Pinkerton with the 4 seed in round 1 and a North/Salem rematch.

    I do not know how the old system worked, but I do not think that Pinkerton would rank higher than North based on Head to Head competition.

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  91. 3:43
    Your summary is fairly accurate but when Salem threw the 102 yard Pick 6 the score was already 34-0 and they were heading to 40-0.

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  92. Kelly is a great player. Kelly is injured. Get over it. BG still has the players, but not the depth. The coaches aren't worrying about yesterday; they are worrying about today. Today, they have athletes who are football players; not the other way around.

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  93. 3:43:

    That's a pretty good summary of what happened. Defense was certainly an issue for both teams, but also some strange special teams breakdowns. Both teams are capable of playing better D. Both offenses can score a ton.

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  94. 3:43 North wasn't the stingiest in the state. Bedford, BG, and Keene to name a few. In D1, maybe.

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  95. Prediction, Pinkerton with the youngest team in D1 by far is in the title game this year, they have the right kind of solid senior leadership that have these talented young players buying into the Astro tradition and they are working as a unit as evidenced by ten different running backs carrying the load in the last game. I will not say that they will win the championship but they have a solid road on their way there and are definitely in the mix. In fact if they win out and so do Salem and North they will be the one seed with the crazy new point system which I don't think any coach is happy with. I have seen it written that next year that out of division games will also count in the standings which is preposterous, why would Pinkerton schedule Brockton every year and BG continue to schedule CM every year. If that is the case, it is a bad move for NH football.

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  96. the score of 70-56 just further validates to me how much better d2 is than d1.
    oh and bg is football players first who are athletic, while salem being the obvious example, has athletes who play football.
    no one with a brain stem would even try to argue otherwise

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  97. Of the top two divisions before North's massacre the top 4 defenses were as follows.
    1. BG 39 pts
    2. Keene
    3. North
    4. Dover

    Shows how the game is slightly different between the two divisions. I believe that D1 has better offenses and more explosive athletes. D2 teams like to grind it out and bang.

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  98. D2 Defenses get a large dose of D2 offenses. After the top two teams, not much offensive power there, of course the defenses will look better. They just don't get beat up week in and week out. BG has a legit D, after that, nah. There is not a team in any division that can keep Mid Season Salem under 40. Timberlane only gave up 21 to BG and Merrimack. I predict Salem has at least that much in a quarter.

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  99. 07:53

    That's the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard! Keep drinking your D2 kool-aid.

    Other than BG, who has probably the best football program in NH and would likely be playing for a D1 crown, the rest of D2 would be very hard pressed to play .500 ball against the likes of Pinkerton, Salem, North, South, and, Central.

    Souhegan, who does have an excellent program and would compete for a D2 crown (if they were in D2), lost to what will likely be the 5th place team in D1.

    It'll be curious to see what Timberlane does with Salem, assuming Salem is willing to risk injury to their big 3.

    I don't even know why this subject keeps coming up. Until the crossover games count, they mean nothing, and late in the season the games are senseless since both teams risk injuries to key people that impact their playoff runs.

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  100. It seems like every year about this time D1 people are talking about how their teams have improved since the first week. They don't realize, that they only appear improved because they're now playing teams that they vastly overrate, specifically, other D1 teams. Yes, D1 is better this year, with the exclusion of West, but it's not much of a difference. It looks like Salem and North would be fighting for a playoff spot if they were in d2. And unlike your evaluations, I have results to back up mine!

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  101. 10:18,
    There is obviously a team "in any division" that could hold beginning of the season Salem to 14 offensive points, so why not now? Are you saying those linebackers that could hold Salem's offense to just 14 offensive points at the beginning of the season would not be able to do so at this point simply because North's linebackers can't tackle? Pinkerton held them to 31 in week 4 (after giving up 33 to North the week before). If week 4 isn't mid season, what is? Only weeks 5 and 6?

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  102. I will gurantee that Salem doesnt score 40 pts on Timberlane this Friday

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  103. 7:53, SURE...that's why over half of the freshmen who play football every year have never played before. BG has athletes who play football and LEARN to play well as a team.

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  104. 7:35
    you mean they wont score 40 every quarter?

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  105. I was at the game,who was the qb pitchin to.that safety cost them the game.

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