Friday, September 17, 2010

The Streak is Over


Earlier this week Plymouth High football fans were saying how they weren't getting enough respect. After all, they did have the longest winning streak in the country at 57 games. Well, I give them respect for putting NH on the map, and for having a great program.

But all good things must eventually come to an end. And folks, the streak has officially come to an end, as the Kennett Eagles defeated Plymouth tonight 20-9. Congrats to Kennett for the win, and congrats to Plymouth for the streak.

Paying Homage to Plymouth & the Streak
57 games. Not too shabby. Like I said, these guys put NH on the map and they have put together an outstanding program. Give coach Chuck Lenahan plenty of credit. Some people give them flack and try to belittle the value of the streak because the Bobcats only play in the state's fourth biggest division. But I don't care what you're division you're in. Winning 57 games is an incredible accomplishment. Along the way anything can happen - injuries, sickness, silly penalties, or on a particular week the players just don't have it (after all they are still just kids). It would be understandable that for any of those reasons they happen to lose a game or two somewhere along the way. But they didn't...until now. Sure, maybe the streak would have been more impressive if all of the wins came against D-I opponents. But that's not being fair to Plymouth, because they only have half the enrollment of the D-I schools. They played in the Division that their enrollment put them in, and they won 57 straight. Respect it. Congrats to Plymouth and Coach Lenahan.

Congrats to Kennett
Plymouth has built a great program. o one has beaten them in 5 years. So while we pay homage to the streak, we also must congratulate the Kennett Eagles on such a HUGE victory. They did what no one else has been able to do for the last 5 years. It will be interesting to see how both teams respond next week after this game.

I Hate to Say I Told You So, But...
I called it. Way back on May 18 I predicted that Plymouth's streak would end this year. I was right about it ending this year, I was wrong about who would beat them. I thought ti would be either Trinity, Hanover or Laconia. I underrated Kennett, so I give them their props.

66 comments:

  1. Oh, please let me be the first!!!!! Everyone in the state has been waiting for this. Not because we hate the players, but why haven't the Coach/AD ever petitioned to play at a higher division? To keep the streak going, that's why.
    Nice job Kennett. You believed and you achieved.
    Plymouth, want some respect? Petition up and earn it. Until then, expect the hate!

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  2. Huh? I don't know anyone who doesn't have the utmost respect for Plymouth's program. They weren't playing teams that didn't have an equal opportunity to compete. Most respected program in NH. 57 in a row is a incredible accomplishment!

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  3. Thank you so much, Eagles. Ever since Plymouth ducked out of D-III to avoid us at our strength once they started getting weaker to save the streak, I've been praying to God each week in the fall. Eagles, thank you. You've answered my prayers. Btw, I'm not a current Saber so don't look poorly upon the kids because I'm just one guy that hates Plymouth, period.

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  4. Way to go Kennett! 12:13 could not have said it better!

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  5. Congratulations to Kennett - and I think this lends strength to a lot of people's arguments about Plymouth choosing to stay in a lower division. If they would have played up (or even played pre division games up), there would have been many nights like this one.

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  6. Who is posting this stuff? If Kennett's victory "lends strength to a lot of people's arguments", then aren't there at least 57 things that lend strength to the opposing argument? Congratulations to you, Kennett. A huge win!

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  7. I'm from Kennett and I get what you say about Plymouth not petitioning up to a higher division, but division IV has some great football teams. Lebanon is solid, Laconia (The state champ when Plymouth was put in the division) is solid, and now with the addition of Trinty we have 5 teams that are fighting desperately for 4 playoff spots.

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  8. Most people agree with you, 10:53. D4 is about equal to D4. And this victory reinforces the fact that there're more than Plymouth to respect in D4.

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  9. Jeremy, gotta hand it to you. You stuck by your call on Plymouth losing this year, and you were right.

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  10. Don't worry Trinity will still beat Plymouth, and Laconia too probably.

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  11. 10:48 AM - the opinion that Plymouth didn't play top caliber competition during the streak is not one held by this poster, but many many others who follow NH HS football. Why didn't Plymouths pre division schedule have larger classification teams on it like Souhegan's and Portsmouth's? NH Sports Page.com was all over Plymouth - calling them out for their light schedule - and they still lost.

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  12. thank god i have to give a hand to kennett doing something that my team hasn't been able to do in the last 2 state championship games in d-4

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  13. Kennett, Plymouth, and Laconia have had a great rivalry since the late 80's.

    Kennett won 5 of titles until 1993 during that stretch beating Plymouth a bunch of times, a memorable game was when Beckly the K who went to BC missed a big FG.

    Then Laconia became the power in that division winning titles behind Qb Lonergan and then Soueghan came into the scene.

    Kennett moved up for a while and played the southern teams and the last few years they have all moved back to the same division were they belong.

    Those 3 teams have the best programs in the State north of Manchester and it is only fitting it was Kennett to beat Plymouth since the rivalry is 25 years old.

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  14. Lebanon comes back from 0-21. To win on a Justin Judd 35 yard Field Goal as time expires to win the cup 24-21. Patch, Roth, and Drew had great games! Trinity and Lebanon both 3-0 now in D IV. Great stuff.

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  15. Lebanon sitting atop D4 in football ahead of Plymouth. Strange times, Strange times

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  16. Gary Fitz from the Nashua Telegraph echoes the sentiments of many fans who question Plymouth's streak due to strength of schedule...the list seems to continue to grow.

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  17. Chris Barker was an absolute animal defensively in the Hanover game as well. But damn you don't see a field goal winning the game in High School football all that often.

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  18. To quote Fitz for you, 9:02 -

    "But they (Plymouth) seem to avoid playing tougher teams. When they dropped from Division III to Division IV, despite winning seven championships in eight years, they had a chance to continue to play Souhegan in a crossover game. They chose, instead, to play Milford."

    So they WEREN'T hiding out in D-IV all this time? I'd love to hear what excuses the Plymouth fans come up with now.

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  19. Fitz praise BG at the same time hmmm

    Plymouth, Kennett and Laconia are as good as nay school that is not D 1 and 2 in the State.

    Kennett 5 years ago beat Soueghan in SOueghan with Lapham and Jellison on the team. ANd would have won the title if not for Giunard injury

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  20. 7:44, yes, Kennett was VERY good that year with the QB Giunard. However, that was just one good year. Don't think they could have even come close since then. The last couple times they played before the new alignment SHS crushed Kennett.

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  21. Here's the irony from Gary Fitz, Souhegan has been the biggest ducker of better competition in the state. Gary Fitz is written as someone who thinks Plymouth was ducking his beloved Souhegan.

    Souhegan (Bill Dodd) has had the enrollment requirements changed for Class I every time it should have moved up. Instead they played the Stevens, Fall Mt's, Kearsarges and Coebrowns. Schools with half the enrollment in 90 percent of there sports.

    Souhegan even "RECOUNTED" students one year when the NHIAA told them they were going to be in L.

    Plymouth runs a great program and should be recongized for it. As does Souhegan. But to say the streak lacks legitmacy from Souhegan people is just hypocritical

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  22. What is Souhegans Enrollment?

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  23. really 9:08? Last I checked Souhegan was the smallest school in D-III with 840 students. But clearly they're also ducking competetion by scheduling the only two D-I schools that were willing to sign them. Oh, and Bill Dod hasn't been the AD for three years now, way to keep up to date.

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  24. 900 kids that are hand selected. A little different than a school that has to work with a geographical district.

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  25. Read the Post 1:53

    Souhegan has stayed down in all the other sports by changing enrollment standards and "Recounting" numbers.

    Football at Souhegan should be commended. The rest of their sports have stayed good by beating up on tiny schools. (or barely stayed afloat)

    Bottom line Plymouth is exactly where they should be and Souhegan has been ducking good competition (outside of Football) for years

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  26. According to the NHIAA, Plymouth's enrollment puts it just below the middle of d4 teams. See page 2 of: http://nhiaa.org/PDFs/2743/21ByLawArticleXIXFootball.pdf
    They scheduled a d3 school with a sound football program for their non-division game last year. They have played numerous close games against teams capable of beating them during the streak. I see nothing tainted about this incredible 57 game record. (I'm from the southern part of the state and have nothing to do with Plymouth)

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  27. 6:07, again the upper limit for Class I is 1200 and Souhegan has never been over 1040 students which was its peak three years ago, and it's now at 840 students. Even in other sports, I can't see how Souhegan is ducking competition seeing as the BELONG in Class I based on enrollment. In fact, the OPPOSITE is true of Souhegan: the lacrosse programs petition up to compete at the Class L level!!!

    Here's what's tainted about it, 9:55.

    They are a football first kind of school/town where the entire town is fanatical about the team; see the "townies" at each game as they've become known wearing their old HS jerseys, no offense intended. Basically, when the entire town is dedicated to the program and every boy's dream is to play for Lenehan, it makes them more competitive than they would be otherwise as a small school.

    After winning 7 out of 8 D-III titles they never once tried to petition up as clearly they had little in the way of competition besides Souhegan. Instead, right as Souhegan came on the strongest it ever has in 08 and 09 and Plymouth ran out of kids named "Boyle" (as well as talent in general) they run to D-IV to reel in even more titles with even LESS competition.

    Then comes the infamous decision by Lenehan to schedule Milford over Souhegan when both asked to play them at the scheduling meetings, a much weaker program. And anybody that knows Milford knows that the program isn't really that great compared to others, again no offense intended. As Gary Fitz of the Telegraph stated "But they (Plymouth) seem to avoid playing tougher teams. When they dropped from Division III to Division IV, despite winning seven championships in eight years, they had a chance to continue to play Souhegan in a crossover game. They chose, instead, to play Milford."

    Seems very tainted to me. Notice they never once tried to schedule a legitimate D1/2 opponent like Souhegan has for years and is taking to the next level this year.

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  28. 10:13, Actually, that 08 Plymouth team probably would of beat the 08 Souhegan team I played both, I was on Laconia, D-IV has been deeper then D-III for a long time now.

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  29. I'd beg to differ. I played against Souhegan that year and they probably had the best front I played against in my four years on both O and D.

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  30. Everyone in the state questioned why a team that was very successful in D3 would move down. Everyone. If you didn't you were from Plymouth.
    I am not from Souhegan or even involved in D3 or D4 and I heard the news and was shocked. We all were.

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  31. Lenahan might of wanted to drop down cause Plymouth's talent is thinning? So he might wanna actually play in an enrollment of his own? And play with old rivals Laconia, and Kennett, the schools play each other in every other school sport, why not football too? What the NHIAA needs to do is have a state playoff, this whole six division thing is not working and needs change.

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  32. 10:13

    your facts are wrong. The enrollment standard was 1000 and Souhegan had it changed because as Bill Dodd said" Our philosophy is more in line with Class I"

    One year they petitioned down, one year they had the enrollment changed, one year they recounted.

    Souhegan is the one who ducks competition in all sports but Football. And shouldn't say anything about Plymouth's Streak.

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  33. hey 3:18...you wanted to play Plymouth when you were strong only?..what a joke. You weren't begging for it when you lost 17 out of 19 to them.

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  34. Sorry, you didn't make a single good point 10:13. I think I'm being fair. I respect Souhegan. I respect Plymouth. They play against their traditional rivals, their neighboring towns that are of similar size. The schools that they play in all sports. Who else has done that and won 57 in a row? They schedule a higher division team. Who is to say that it has to be Souhegan? I can think of a half dozen reasons that don't match yours for not choosing Souhegan. No one has criticized Souhegan for scheduling down last year - Laconia. I'm done with topic. Good luck to you.

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  35. 10:33, no, we looked forward to trying to beat Plymouth every year. That's kind of what a rivalry is about, y'know? Unfortunately right as we hit our peak Plymouth called timeout and ran away.

    5:15, D-III and D-IV were required to schedule each other. That's why every D-III team for a 2 year period had to schedule a D-IV team, and vice versa. Knowing this, Souhegan wanted to pick the best team, their rival, Plymouth. Plymouth decided the streak was more important. Therefore, Souhegan picked the next best team, Laconia. Also, as a sidenote Souhegan tried to schedule many upper division teams before this year such as South, BG, Keene, etc but was shot down each time for various reasons, except this year when Central and Londonderry finally signed up. I think we've all seen how that's working out for them now. Finally, Souhegan actually has for YEARS played up a division in the Turkey Bowl vs Merrimack.

    5:18, Souhegan Lacrosse is a successful playoff program most years in Class L, boys and girls. In fact, the girls program might be top 3 in the state, and the boys while not as strong still compete with the best. SOUHEGAN'S ENROLLMENT IS 840 STUDENTS!!!!! Football schedules D2 every year with Merrimack, as well as attempting to schedule Plymouth (shot down), and other D1/D2 teams which wouldn't sign on until this year finally with Londonderry and Central.

    Hate to tell you again, but Class I is up to 1200, and Souhegan falls 360 students below that number and is THE SMALLEST school in D-III. At least Souhegan doesn't duck out of playing superior competition like some programs out there...

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  36. 12:58, you hit the nail on the head with that first part: the talent IS thinning. That's why they ran away!

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  37. and 10:33, PLYMOUTH by your account only wanted to play us while they were strong - seeing as they ran away when they got weak.

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  38. 12:37, There 08 team still would of beat Souhegans 08, but Souhegan 09 would of killed Plymouth they had 150 pound lineman.

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  39. 08 Souhegan would have killed 08 Plymouth too. You talk about SHS's 250 pound linemen (you meant 250 not 150, right?), but 08's line was big too, and AGGRESSIVE. From LT to RT SHS was 230 (a very jacked D1 LB recruit 230 in Ginnard), 220, 275, 235, 245. Then in 09 from LT to RT they were 285, 240, 250, 260, 230. While 09's line was a bit bigger overall, 08's line was much tougher and more athletic with Luks and Ginnard (the older ones) being joined by Cultera and Cray whom we all know about, and a tough senior revelation in LG starter Kyle Wons. Then Stallman was the best receiver in the state (yes, superior to Parenteau), Wing was still in the slot, same great two-headed monster in the backfield, etc. 08 and 09 were tremendous for SHS, and both would have massacred Plymouth as a certain Laconia starter told me in the offseason (won't use his name for his privacy).

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  40. I was talking about Plymouth 150 pound lineman in 09 haha bro, Also I started for Laconia in 08, you hype your Souhegan team up wayyyyy too much, yeah they were good and they were the team with the most class I've played against, Plymouth was right with you though, you guys had power. Plymouth had the most speed I've seen that year. I could go all day about our 07 Laconia team too but we never got that opportunity to play Souhegan or Plymouth that year.

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  41. Actually Pelham is SMALLEST team in D3 literally and figuratively.

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  42. I guess the only real, tangible thing here is that souhegan lost to plymouth 17 out of 19 games. That's a fact. The claims of greatness that will never be proven are of no value. It is what it is. Didn't the sabers beat BG last year in a pep rally song along.

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  43. Souhegan people, Why not just applaud Plymouth?

    Don't be jealous, you have a great program.

    Just not as great as Plymouth

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  44. Yes, Plymouth people, you have by far the historically better program, FANTASTIC. This year Souhegan would stomp you, as Kennett did last week, and Trinity is going to do tomorrow.

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  45. 10:25, Souhegan has the best program in the state, not Plymouth. Notice I didn't say "team" but program. No other school can boast to develop its players better than Souhegan does. For a school of 840 kids to send SEVEN kids to college ball all with D2 and higher options is outstanding. The Souhegan program from Pop Warner to SVS to SHS is the easy front runner in the state. Obviously, like I said program is better than team. PA most years is better than SHS just based on pure numbers (3300 to 840), but the program doesn't even come close. O'Reilly has the pick of the litter, the staff at SHS MAKES great players out of what little they have and sends them off by the droves to high level college ball. No comparison in NH to SHS's program.

    Plymouth plays nobody so don't even start there. When Plymouth got all of those wins against Souhegan they had a couple of FAST D1 quarterbacks turned receivers at UNH and Army by the name of Boyle running the show. The Boyles have been gone for a few years now and the talent has really dried up, just ask that Laconia kid.

    And 9:42, those 17 of 19 games were COMPLETELY different kids from years ago - no comparison. The most recent three SHS teams were far superior to anything Plymouth had as Plymouth's talent is drying up and SHS's just hit the hardest it ever has. You're right though, it will never be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. That's why we have blogs where people argue over it. I happen to know what I'm talking about and am giving all the evidence you could ever want that I'm trying to put on here. And pep rally song along? What does that have to do with anything? Just trying to be wise there?

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  46. Here is the issue guys. Maybe SHS has gotten to the level that Plymouth was once at in Division 3 years ago, actually when SHS runs off 40 wins in a row they can say that. Until then this is a needless argument.

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  47. 17 out of 19 times and your argument is your pop warner (Plymouth won a National Title there as well) is better and it wasn't fair because they had fast quarterbacks

    That's the mentality that made Souhegan "recount" instead of going to L back in the early 2000

    Please stop

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  48. That is a pretty bad excuse. That is as bad as Milford saying when you run out of better players than us we will win!

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  49. 4:55, SVS isn't Pop Warner. It's big boy junior high football with no weight limits with Amherst vs the entire cities of Manchester, Nashua, Andover, Derry, etc. SVS dominated the best kids from those cities and more like Lowell, Goffstown, Merrimack, etc. And again, SHS is at 840 students and never got higher than 1040, and the Class I limit has been 1200. Plus those are other sports, NOT football. And lax plays D-I, so SHS isn't hiding from anybody as opposed to a certain program in D-IV. Try scheduling two D-I teams and a D-II team and beat them, then come talk to me about hiding from the bigger schools. Finally, you and I both know that Mike Boyle (then Sean, then Sean Sweeney) was the entire team so "please stop."

    11:01, not at all. It's not an excuse for losing those games at all. Plymouth won. All I'm saying is that SHS would've crushed Plymouth if Plymouth hadn't run away because talent dried up over in the Land of Lenehan and the opposite occurred in The Jungle the past two years and this year. SHS just got way better and Plymouth got way worse, so Plymouth ran away. And your Milford example is terrible since SHS won't then run away to a lower division if and when that day occurs where Milford becomes better (doubtful). If SHS does that when that time comes, theoretically, and THEN proceeds to run away, then I say Milford should be allowed to complain just as much as the entire state besides Plymouth has for the better part of three years now. Nuff said.

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  50. Class I was a 1000 limit until 2 years ago

    Souhegan petitioned down, recounted, and dodged.

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  51. I do remember the recount. That was well documented. I believe that was 2007.

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  52. Oh please let me be the first again! Plymouth loses again! Not only loses, but is crushed by Trinity!
    If you had played equal opponents on Coach L's quest for the streak, we wouldn't be cheering this on.
    Who's next?

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  53. Well, I see that Plymouth is now on another type of streak...did I read it right that Trinity only passed the ball twice? A total domination by Trinity, and you can't help but think that the streak never would have happened if Plymouth wouldn't have protected their schedule.

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  54. Calm down Trinity. You. Played. A. Bad. Plymouth. Team. There talent is gone, get off your high horse you are in the weakest D-IV yet. Laconia losing to Lebanon for the first time in 8 years? and Plymouth losing two games in a row, get real, should of came up back when both those teams had D1 talent a couple years back.

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  55. Hmm, 1:08 and 4:15, even with a recount, it got the number right, no? And accuracy is what matters, no? So what's wrong with that? At its largest, Souhegan was 40 students over your number of 1000 that I'm not so sure is accurate. Souhegan competes in Class I today with 840 students in a cap of 1200 and PETITIONS UP into Class L for boys and girls lax. When has Plymouth EVER petitioned up? I thought so. Try scheduling some D1/2 teams like SHS and get on our level, cuz right now you boys are just proving me right each week. You hid in D-IV to avoid competition. Luckily, Trinity moved up after rebuilding and parity has arrived with the other teams. If Plymouth stayed in D3 this streak would have been gone two years ago. Can't wait for when a REAL small school power locks horns with a D1 playoff squad in SHS vs. Central. At least the boys in Amherst aren't afraid of a little competition!!!

    Jeremy, I know you're cracking down on these comments, but this one belongs bro.

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  56. Who knows if they got it right? I mean if you count them once and got them wrong who is to say you didnt get them wrong again? Lax good example.

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  57. You were over the limit and didn't go, then when you were way over the limit you changed the standard.

    I am going to take a guess that when they "recounted" they changed the way they count. Souhegan is the only school that does not count home school kids (cause there is so many).

    Souhegan has all the advantages, community support, money, a new school.


    Your record against Plymouth is 2-17, how can you say you have a better program?

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  58. Trinity's record against Plymouth is 1-0 :)

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  59. 9:32, find me the source of your claim that we were over the limit, ok? The limit is 1200, we are now at 840, and petition UP in several sports while being the smallest school in D-III for football where we schedule as many high division teams as we can. When has Plymouth EVER petitioned up or scheduled a legit D1/2 team? Thought so.

    Your claim of "1000" seems made up, and even at SHS's largest of 1040, that's hardly "way over" the limit. Am I the only one that finds it just a little too extreme to claim that Dod got all of Class I to agree to change the cap to 1200 over 40 KIDS?!?! Seems like you'd need Dod to be a Stalin clone and force it by himself since he didn't run Class I. You're pulling this out of thin air. Get over the fact that you ran away tail between your legs to D-IV, and play some real teams for a change. In other words, get on our level!

    Sorry again Jeremy but the lies and hypocrisies of a town that has been exposed for what they are is driving me a bit nuts over here.

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  60. Plymouth would be 17-6 if they hadn't run away in 08...

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  61. And would have lost again this year to make it 17-7 or 17-8. Then factor in the next few years and you see a new trend, don't you?

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  62. The recount happened and at that time the way they got below the 1000 is by not counting the home schooled and the kids that went to a local private school with no athletic teams despite the students being involved in the athletic programs. It is a fact. The students that were counted originally were then removed because they were only athletes involved at school not academically.

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  63. Source please 11:12. And what does this have to do with football where SHS regularly pushes their schedule as much as they can? Hmm?? Lax plays up, so why would they hide with all of their other programs? All lies, but nice try.

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  64. I get to be the first again. Plymouth loses number 3 to Laconia tonight. Awesome job Sachems!!!!!! Who's next!!!!!

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