Wednesday, September 15, 2010

Updated Basketball Team Rankings - Boys Division II

When I released my updated rankings for boys Division I (Class L) a couple weeks ago, one of the first comments someone left was, "When are you posting rankings for Class I?". Well, wait no longer. Readers like rankings, they like to debate them and see how all of the other teams in their division are looking going into the season. And Lord knows I like to make them.

So here we go. Just like with the other divisions I will update them once more right before the season officially starts after I get a chance to see some fall league games and scrimmages. But as of RIGHT NOW, this is how I see it in D-II (Class I).

Before I get to the Rankings, this division has had some turnover since last year. First off it is now called Division II, NOT Class I. Also, the division has added 3 new teams, and dropped 2. Moving into the division are Goffstown (moving down from Class L), Sanborn (moving up from Class M) and Windham (first year varsity program). Moving down to D-III are Bow and Monadnock. Now for the rankings!

The Favorite

1) Milford
This team has been well documented. They won Class I last year, going 21-1 in the process. And that was with virtually all juniors. Now those juniors are seniors, and while all of the other teams in the division lost a lot of their better players to graduation Milford is even better than last year. A year from now their entire starting 5 (O'Loughlin, Holder, Mitchell, Nelson and McCallum) will all likely be playing college basketball somewhere. They were already going to be pretty big favorites. But now with O'Brien leaving Bedford, Lombard leaving Pelham and Nelson leaving Souhegan it will now be a complete shock if anyone even comes within 5 points of them all year. Nuff said.


Who's #2?
(Teams 2-9 are all VERY close. They could end up finishing in any order, and any game involving 2 of these teams will be VERY fun to watch).

2) Bedford
So how is it that their starting point guard transfers to Brewster Academy and they still get the #2 spot? Well part of it is because like I said teams 2-9 are all very close. But the main reason is quite simply...size. Bedford has not 1, not 2, but 6 players on the roster who are 6'4" or bigger. That is the most size any one team in NH has had in recent memory. I expect them to start Jared Fahmy (6'6") at the 3, Joey Maher (6'4") at the 4 and Trevor Fahmy (6'7") at the 5. The 6th man should be Will Mcinerny (6'6"). Then you also have a pair of freshmen who will likely see more of their minutes on JV due to the frontcourt depth, but don't be surprised if they make an impact off the bench for the varsity as well in Collin McManus (6'8") and Roger Larrivee (6'5"). The Fahmy brothers are both playing some good ball right now, and Mcinerny has also improved a lot over the summer. These guys are going to give teams fits all season long with their size. No one in the division will be able to match up with them. Guard play wasn't going to to be this team's strong point anyways, so losing O'Brien does hurt. Look for senior Matt Beaulieu to take over at the point and for wing Trevor Glassman to play the 2. Those two will have to play A LOT of minutes, because while there's a ton of depth in the frontcourt there isn't very much at all in the backcourt.

3) Souhegan
Souhegan's "Big 3" this year will be Seth Cordts, Devin Gilligan and Ryan Redmond. The core of this Souhegan team has been playing together for a LONG time, and with a strong senior class with Cordts, Redmond, Nick Hession and possibly Brendan McKenna this year is the Sabers best shot at making it to Durham. Last year they had some inconsistency, some lack of discipline. But they were young. Many of them were first time varsity players. They took their lumps last year. Now this year they're ready to win some ballgames. Of course they would be even better if guard Jack Nelson didn't move to Chicago this summer. They're already returning their top 3 players from last year, but with Nelson it would have been their top 4. With Nelson gone, it gives some younger guys a chance to get minutes. Most notably a pair of sophomores in 5'6" Brandon Len and 6'2" Zach Simmonds. Those two, along with Jake Kennedy, Sean McGrath and Sean McKenna give Souhegan a strong sophomore class. Hession is also a very good defender. This team definitively has plenty of talent. But last year they often had trouble playing as a team. You would think since they've all bee playing together for so long it wouldn't be a problem. Only time will tell how they do this year though.

4) Pelham
Steve Spirou and Mike Lombard have been playing basketball together pretty much since they were in diapers. Every AAU team either of them have ever played on the other was also on the same team. They've probably talked about what it would be like to play together senior year in high school dozens of times. So when Lombard decided to transfer out of Pelham High and into Proctor Academy this summer, while it was a great opportunity for him athletically and academically it was also bittersweet as he wouldn't be able to play his senior season alongside Spirou. With Lombard in the lineup, this Pythons team is as good as anyone in the division outside Milford. Without him they will still be a good team with a shot at Durham, but just not as good...and not nearly as big. Now Spirou is the closest thing Pelham has to a center, and he is much more comfortable facing up away from the basket where he can knock down shots and slash to the rim. What they lack in size they make up for in speed. Pelham will be a VERY fast team, that will get up and down the floor in a hurry and press their opponents full court A LOT. Junior point guard Derek Defranzo and sophomore guard Kevin Cheam are perfect for this style of play. Add in a pair of deadly outside shooters in Brett Bailey and Dean Joyce, plus a pair of hard nosed role players who will do a little of everything in Erik Nystrom and Anthony Spirou (Steve's little brother) and you have a squad that will give a lot of team's problems this year. Steve Spirou is arguably the best player in the division and he's playing some very good ball right now. First year Head Coach Matt Regan definitely has some talent to work with.


5) Pembroke
This is the youngest team I've seen in quite some time. Their two best players are sophomores, their third and fourth best players are freshmen, their 5th and 6th best players are juniors and their seventh best player is another freshman. Talk about a youth movement! Amazing how Pembroke can return just 1 starter and still be ranked this high. But remember folks, last year they only had 1 returning starter and they made it to the championship game. That's what happens when you have good incoming freshmen and one of the state's best coaches. The Spartans had 2 super freshmen last year in point guard Rene Maher and wing Matt Persons. Both are sophs now and both are primed for BIG years. Don't be surprised if Maher makes first team all-state for D-II. Persons should make either second team or honorable mention. They had two of the top freshmen last year and they have 2 of the top freshmen this year as well with 5'10" guard Pat Welch and 6'2" forward Jordan Williams. These guys do NOT play like freshmen at all. The juniors are 6'2" Kent Noyes, an athletic player with a good amount of potential and 6'4" Tyler Morrison who saw limited varsity minutes last year but now is expected to start. The wild card with this team is Coleton Neely. Neely was one of the top players in Class I last year, and one of the best shooters in the entire state. He was a senior, but he missed his entire junior season due to health problems. He has petitioned the NHIAA for an extra year of eligibility and is awaiting the NHIAA's decision. If his wish is granted you can move this team up to the #2 spot in Division II.

6) Portsmouth
Watch out for junior wing Kyle DiCesare. Outside of Milford's "Big 3" and Spirou he is probably the best player in Division II. Portsmouth played Milford twice last year. DiCesare dropped 25 on them both games. The kid is a gamer. The bigger the game, the better he plays. The Clippers also return 2 other projected starters in guard Bill Lane and forward Riley McCarthy. The wild card here is Lane - word is, he might not play hoops this year and do track instead. Portsmouth also has 6'2" junior Charlie Duprey, 6'4" senior Quinn Hegarty and 5'10" junior Greg Tsougranis. All 3 of them saw valuable minutes off the bench for last year's Portsmouth team that made it to Durham where they came THIS close to beating eventual champion Milford. In case you're counting, that's SIX key players who are back from last year's team. They will miss Mike Barton, Mike Montville and Nate Jones who all graduated. But this will be a pretty good team once again. They have a very good coach in Jim Mulvey, and one of the divisions best players in DiCesare. But if lane doesn't play you can move them down to the #9 spot. I know it might seem like a big jump considering Lane didn't exactly have a big year last season. But that's how close these teams are in this 2-9 tier of teams. Also, someone has to run the point for this team and get the ball to DiCesare and McCarthy in positions to score. They need Lane to be that guy.

7) Coe-Brown
That's right, folks. After last season when they were only the #15 seed in Class I, I have them ranked #7 right now. But this is this best team they've had in awhile, and it will likely be the best team they will have in awhile. The Bears return 3 starters, 6 key players off last year's team plus a much improved sophomore who comes up from JV. They'll be led by the inside-outside duo of 6'3" junior forward Skyler Mitchell (son of Oyster River coach Stuart Mitchell) and 6'0" senior guard Dan Lang. Mitchell is a fundamentally sound player who plays the game hard and plays it the right way. He has good post moves and now is extending his game to the perimeter where he can now knock down the mid-range jump shot. Lang is one of the state's best shooters and has excellent range. The third best player is probably sophomore guard Damon Doyle. He played JV last year as a freshman, but the kid has worked his tail off over the spring and summer and is now playing some good ball. In addition to Mitchell, Coe-Brown gets even more size from 6'5" senior Krystian Lucey who started last year. He's a solid defender and rebounder. Also look for Tommy Darling, Alex Johnstone and Harrison Vina to play key roles on this team as well. All three saw varsity time last year and they're all tough kids. This team could definitely surprise some people this year.

8) John Stark
Seniors Greg LeBlond and Steve Johnstone give the Generals one of the top backcourts in the division. Both players are excellent shooters and defenders. 6'2" forward david Morgan gives Stark 3 returning starters, and all are seniors. Morgan is a solid role player, and above average defender and rebounder. The two players who could complete the starting 5 are a pair of sophomores in 6'7" Zach Grattan and 5'6" Nick Lloyd. Both kids played varsity last year as freshmen but saw most of their court time on JV where they were among the top players I saw last year in a Class I JV game. Look for this to once again be a fast paced team that likes to get out and run and take quick shots. Also look for LeBlond to be either a first or second team all-state player in D-II.

9) Oyster River
I have them 9th right now, but don't be surprised if they finish higher. Like I said teams 2-9 could all finish in any order. The Bobcats return 3 players played vital roles on last year's squad that made it to the semi-finals in Durham. They're all seniors too - 6'5" Adam Goodwin, 5'11" Chris Walker, 6'3" Alex Hennessy are all good players and they all know Coach Mitchell's system very well. One question I have is who handles the basketball for this team. Walker is much better at the 2 where he can spot up for 3's and take people off the dribble from the wing. For the last 2 years the point guard has been Tommy McDonnell but he is now doing a post-grad year over at Bridgton Academy. Look for another senior, Dylan Kelly to also start and be a solid role player for this team. He saw some valuable minutes off the bench last year. Goodwin is this team;s best player though. Look for these guys to feed the ball down to him in the post early and often.


Don't Sleep on These Teams Either

10) Lebanon
In my article a couple weeks ago where I updated the Division I boys basketball rankings I said how one of the reasons I had Dover ranked where I did was because not only did they play summer league ball together, but they also had their own AAU program so they played as a team during the spring as well. The more you play together as a team the more familiarity the players get with one another, roles are able to be defined, players get more practice with the plays and sets, etc. Well, Lebanon also had their own AAU program. They needed the practice too. Not because they were bad last year, in fact they were a top 5 or 6 Class I team all year. But because the Raiders graduated their ENTIRE starting lineup, including the Class I Player of the Year Jake Woodward. They mainly had a 6 player rotation and only 1 of those 6 is back on the squad this season. That would be sophomore David Hampton, a 5'10" sharpshooter. Fellow sophomore Matt Cowles played JV last year but Coach Matte said after the season that he could have probably played varsity. Then you also have seniors Marlin Hueil and Blake Whaley who got some decent minutes ff the bench but will now be asked to take on bigger roles. Forward mark davidson and guard Kyle Farr are also solid players who will contribute to this year's Lebanon team which seems to always finish in the top 10, even when they graduate a lot of talent.

11) Hanover
5'9" senior guard Sam Carney is one of the state's best 2 sport athletes. He looks to have a big senior season for Hanover, and his sidekick on the football field and on the basketball court is junior Daniel Gorman. Both players can score the basketball and are tough kids. They'll need help though. Last year this team lacked depth and they were also a half court team that struggled when their opponents were able to speed up the pace of the game. This was evident in the first round of the tournament when the run-and-gun John Stark team blew them out of their own gym. That being said, Carney and Gorman are both very good players. If they can get some help I wouldn't be surprised if this team finished a couple spots higher.

12) Kearsarge
They weren't very deep last year, and they graduated their best player Cam Heffron. But they do return 3 of their top 4 players from a year ago in junior Jake Broom, and seniors Doug Gregory and Brett Bascom. They're a very tough, hard nosed, well coached team that gets the most out of the talent they have. Two key players who return are seniors Brett Bascom and Doug Gregory. Head Coach Nate Camp is a very good coach, and he'll have this team competitive all year. Don't be surprised if they finish higher than this.

13) Goffstown
Goffstown moves down into D-II and is the biggest school in the division, along with Portsmouth and Bedford. However that won't necessarily translate into wins. A lack of depth and a lack of size will hurt this team. They have a solid backcourt with seniors Brandon Shea and Ryan Lange. Two tough kids who played hard every minute out there. They play both ends of the floor hard, and while they're not the best outside shooters they take it hard to the rim and also have good mid-range games. The Grizzlies won't be a top 10 team, but their two senior guards will keep them competitive.


The Rest of the Pack

14) St. Thomas
Junior guard Andrew Kahr is a very underrated player. He'll need some help though, because last year he had a couple of 20 point games and then defenses really started to key on him and double team hima nd he had a tough time. If the saints can get someone else to take the scoring pressure off Kahr he could really take his game to the next level.

15) Kingswood
They had a pretty good team last year. But they were all about just 4 players - Kevin Smithwood, Dylan Lovering, Tate Jozokos and Kohl Meyers. The top 3 players are gone, and only Meyers remains. Smithwood and Lovering graduated and Jozokos went prep. Tough loss for Kingswood, as Jozokos and Meyers would have given them one of the division's best backcourts and they would have possibly been the best backcourt when they were seniors in 2011-2012. But instead it is now Myers' team.

16) Windham
No senior class at Windham, but they have some tough kids and some very good athletes. I'm not expecting big things, but they could surprise a few people.

17) Bishop Brady
Not the most talented group, but they do have some decent size, and the transfer of 6'1" Steven Desmairas from Concord will also help.

18) Hollis-Brookline
Coach Soucy did a nice job with this team last year, and I look for more of the same this year. Freshman point guard Jordan Lates is a player to watch out for.

19) Plymouth
They were down near the bottom of the standings last year, and most of their top players (including Colin Hay and Kyle McAuliffe) all graduated. They still have Taylor Newberry though, who should have a solid senior year in the paint.

20) Kennett
Another rebuilding year.

21) Con-Val
See Kennett.

22) Laconia
See Con-Val.

23) Merrimack Valley
MV graduates all-stater Kevin Cressy, it could be a tough year for them.


I have all of the Division II teams ranked on here except for Sanborn (conflict of interest).

348 comments:

  1. Coe Brown is ranked 7th and got spanked by White Mountains Regional at the King of the Hill tourny in Plymouth? so what does that make White Mountains?

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  2. Too high - Souhegan and Pelham. Their best players have not proved they can win big games. Too low - Oyster River and Lebanon, two top coaches.

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  3. did Coe-Brown have their whole team at that game? even if they did it's just 1 game during the summer, shouldn't be the be all end all.

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  4. OR will be strong, Lebanon with what they lost is looking at .500.

    #2 behind Milford is clearly Bedford. That is the biggest team at any classification in a long time and the players that were mentioned are all skilled.

    Kearsarge should be moved from "don't sleep on" to "bottom of the pack", but then again they probably have a weak schedule as their AD made out the schedules for everyone.

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  5. Let's see- ConVal fielded 2 AAU teams this spring, wins 14 (or more) games over the summer, brought 2 full teams to Syracuse's team camp, returns their entire starting lineup, and is only #20? No, with two wins in the past 2 years no one at ConVal is predicting great things, but come-on!

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  6. ConVal has a recent history of not producing Wins, so their #20 ranking is justified. If ConVal faithful don't like the ranking then produce some Ws on the court during the season.

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  7. wins 14 or more games over the summer?

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  8. re 3:18- If this poll was to look backward, then I would agree about ConVal's "history". But the poll is supposed to be forward looking. 5 returning players, including a forward who averaged 37 pts/rebs a game as a junior, and all the work that team put in, #20 is an insult. But I agree it will have to be proven when the snow falls. Till then . . . .

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  9. ConVal has won 1 game in the past 2 years & that was against a class m team. Nuff' said

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  10. I agree 3:18. It is funny that Con Val fans are wondering why they are not ranked higher when lately basketball wins have been as tough to get for them as a loan from a bank.

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  11. I think your underestimating MV jeremy. Yes they graduated Cressy and they are young but they play hard and have some decent talent. As far as I know most of their guys practice/play w the GSR and hold their own. Definitely not an elite team in DII but I'm certain they won't finish in last place.

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  12. Con val is ranked right where they should be...better than last year but not enough to make the playoffs.

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  13. Coe Brown actually lost 2 games to WMRHS... one of them by more than 20 points. you should know your facts.

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  14. Con Val has a coach who cares and works hard and has them going in the right direction. Keep it up and prove people wrong.

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  15. I see nothing wrong with this list. If people don't agree and want to make their own predictions, at least put your name to it...

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  16. Can you explain how Souhegan has been together for a "LONG" time. They have 4 players back who played one year together. They did not even play JV together - and they will likely have several sophomores up from JV. ??? Hard to understand.

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  17. the core of their team - Gilligan, Cordts, Redmond, Simmonds, Len, Kennedy, McKenna. They've all been playing and winning games together since middle school.

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  18. Len never played with Cordts or Redmond.

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  19. Conval does not have any elite players. Did any make all-state. Maybe the big kid made honorable mention. Their JV team was not good, and the Varsity team was not good. How does that change in one year. The big kid is average. His skills are limited but his size helps him get some easy points and rebounds. I would not hold my breath on Conval being very good. You dont go from losing games by 40pts to being good in one year.

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  20. The ratings are important to get everyone talking and drive interest in what should be an exciting season - Jeremy does his homework and does a nice job with this blog.

    However, the only teams that are going to be able to put any pressure on Milford (I am not from Milford)in big games or in March are the teams that make a commitment to team defense. If a team is not able - maybe a better word is willing - to defend so desperately hard on every play that it is considered a monumental failure if anyone scores on them at all, then you do not have a team that can win a championship.

    Many kids in division 2 can score. But how many can lock down defend -with some help from teammates - on the opponents best scorer so that they are held to half of their average at the end of the day? Not many at all. A team that has a lineup with these types of defenders has a chance against Milford.

    A strong example of which I speak in D2 is Derek Defranzo from Pelham (I am not from Pelham either). His ball pressure on the point guard makes it extremely difficult for the other team to get into offensive sets. Of course coach Kress taught defense well enough where he had good help if he got beat which was a rare occurence. Another example was Portsmouth's guards - we will see Billy Lane's relentless ball pressure this season, and it doesn't take much to see what coach Mulvey can do with a group defensively. Helpside bigs that block out, contest the lane, and knock the occasional player on their rear end...a team must have what I've described or they will not achieve their potential.

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  21. Too High Pembroke

    Too Low Conval

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  22. Friday, September 17, 2010 8:05:00 AM EDT

    That's a wonderful example but very off base. You only way you can stop a great player is if you can match them physically. That means are you in the same league when it comes to their level of basketball number one number two are as fast and strong and athletically gifted as the man your guarding if any of these things are not there then don't count on stopping anyone. There is reason that the top kids on the list are on the top and that's because they can't be stopped and not only that after your done trying as hard as you can to stop them go ahead and try to play offense and see how you do against them. If you think you can do that then i have a bridge to sell you. By the way everyone tried as hard as they could last year to do exactly what your saying and tried it with strong seniors but couldn't stop these juniors so a year later and a year bigger better and stronger you really think that's going to happen? I just trying to bring you back down to earth a little. It's hard enough to stop one kid that has a lot of talent never mind a bunch of them.

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  23. Talk about off base...there were many class I games where a team's top scorer was held below or far below their average by a player (and a team) that was playing hard physical defense.

    The point is (the point that was missed by 9:58) is that not too many players - physically gifted, not so physically gifted, or somewhere in between - wish to play the type of defense that is required to move their team towards winning a title. It is a mentality. It can be learned - but eventually must come from heart.

    Also, if your team is playing lock down defense and is totally committed to that concept, offense becomes less important because you dont have to score 60 points to win a D2 game. It is also worth noting that if your team doesn't have a commitment to being in top physical shape, then you are right about that 9:58 you wont be able to do both.

    And, Mr. Milford poster, I did not say that the concepts I described would beat Milford. I said that the only teams that have a fighting chance when it counts against them are the teams who are the strongest defensively. However, I would argue the point that the Milford kids "cannot be stopped" - because they can be.

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  24. OK so let me get this straight with your thinking then any of these so called defenders should be able to stop kobe and lebron and howard ect? Get a clue if you can't match the talent and speed and ability of the player your gaurding your not going to stop them period anyone knows that. And it was proved last year by a bunch of juniors and now they are a year older and stronger and you still think they will be stopped? And you can argue all you want that they can be but the truth is nobody stopped them in the playoffs and thats a fact. Think about it for a second even in the finals after losing mitchell and having to play against Pembroke who had the second best team and the best coach in the state by far they couldn't stop them so mr whom ever team your from poster keep trying to pretend you can do it but it ain't happening in the real world nuff said.

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  25. Word on the street is Alosa will not be coaching Pembroks this season---too busy with other activities that do not include coaching.

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  26. Has anyone seen that Souhegan and ConVal were given an article in the September NFHS magazine? The two programs were recognized for their exceptional sportsmanship in a contest from last year.

    http://www.nfhs.org/content.aspx?id=3524

    Open the Sept 2010 issue, then scroll to page 20.

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  27. Again Milford has to slap people in the face after they were just saying you are the best team in the state. I wish this poster would just stop writing, 9:58 I am sick of you misrepresenting a stand up team like Milford. If you weren't a player you would use a name because we can all tell when you are writing as opposed to some of the other Milford reps on this site that don't sound ridiculous. Great Job as usual Jeremy.

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  28. Pembroke too low.

    Those kids practice year round, they have had 4 practices this week!! You guys are foolish to think they won't be at least #2.

    And if they get this kid from Newport to go there they will be lights out for the next 4years. (Hood)

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  29. I love this. A lot of talk for a team ranked 20th in pre season in Con Val. I'm presuming people in Milford are loving this because it puts them on the blogging backburner.

    You got to laugh and laugh hard.

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  30. 9:58

    Your points are perfectly vaild. Those are the exact points many of us have been making about these players when it comes to playing in college. These kids are all going to experience the other side of that coin in about 17/18 months. This not a put down, just a reality check.

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  31. Defense can win games.

    Case in point is Portsmouth last year. They were not a talented team. They had 2 basketball players, Barton and Diseare (sp). They won on defense. They beat Milford at home and brought them to the brink at UNH. Milford had much more basketball talent but the Portsmouth defense was the reason they won. Most of their players couldn't put the ball in the ocean. They knew that, they bought into Mulvey's defensive systems and they were unselfish - no heros worrying about getting their names in the paper/box score.

    They had no right geeting to UNH but they did because of DEFENSE.

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  32. when will you be doing the girls D II?

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  33. Jeremy how is the Kearsarge Coach underrated, he was awarded coach of the year by his peers?!

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  34. Top 14:
    1. Milford
    2. Bedford
    3. Pembroke
    4. Souhegan
    5. Portsmouth
    6. John Stark
    7. OR
    8. Goffstown
    9. Lebanon
    10. Hanover
    11. Pelham
    12. Kearsarge
    13. MV
    14. CO-Brown

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  35. if anyone can beat milford, its bedford

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  36. Sam Carney- 3 sport athlete!

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  37. He might not be underrated by the other coaches in D-I, but I really feel like not a lot of non-coaches know about him, he doesn't get as much respect from the media as he should, etc. I think that after Alosa and Mulvey, Camp is the next best coach in D-II (no, I'm not going to start ranking coaches!).

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  38. Hey 7:41 what is your point? Milford will be learning what in 17-18 months? That college ball is better than high school ball? Nice job with that post. Next year most of the seniors in the area will be playing pick up games and Milford seniors will be on college rosters. That really suppose to hurt their feelings? How silly is that?

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  39. After a brief discussion of Con-Val, we return you now to your regularly scheduled soap opera, "As Milford's World Turns"

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  40. Con Val Coach is John Curran, class act and good guy.

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  41. well someone did attack Milford for not being ready to play college ball and being surprised by the defense. lol This is a group of guys that can not win. If the entire roster plays basketball at the next level and get degrees they will still be looked at as failures. It is sad.

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  42. if anyone can beat milford, its bedford

    Friday, September 17, 2010 9:40:00 PM EDT

    There is no way Bedford will beat Milford. If they do then Mr. Mitchell will stand outside Bedford town hall wearing a Bedford High sweatshirt singing the Bedford High fight song.

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  43. Jeremy, You can't say I will not rate the coaches and then rate the top 3 coaches.

    Jeremy look at a guy like Dave Smith at CBNA, plays in the brutal southern cluster. Team is good every year(will be great this year) AND works his program all spring and summer. (Leauges, Camps, Team Camps, open gyms, scrimmagges etc.)

    Alosa and Camp maybe great game coaches but do not work as hard as Dave Smith. I think both of them actually take the summer off.

    Now Jim Mulvey is both (Game and Hard Worker) and should receive credit for that. Dan Murray works harder than almost all coaches as well.

    Jeremy, don't let the great hair fool you (Camp and Alosa). Being a great coach is more than looking like a great coach.

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  44. Jeremy, I disagree with your assessment on coaches. Why is it important that "non-coaches" know about him? He is in it for the kids right??? That is the mark of a coach especially one that can not recruit! Respect is earned and the media should focus on the kids that work hard all season long (or year) not the coach. It is good you have the sense not to rate the coaches but you have really disrespected coaches such as Co Brown, St Thomas, Kingswood, Lebanon, Hanover, Souhegan, etc. You need to stay away from commenting about coaches, there job is hard enough anyway, and focus on the deserving players!

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  45. Did Timberlane moved down or just Goffstown?

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  46. 1) Maybe I am going off just last year too much, but last year Coe Brown and Kearsarge both had pretty much the same amount of talent. But Kearsarge finished 6th and Coe Brown finished 15th. Now I know Kearsarge was was helped out a little by the heal points, but still. Bedford, Souhegan, Pelham, Bow and Stark all had more tlaent than them but Kearsarge finished higher. Now you have to give credit to his players for working hard, but I'm just saying that camp deserves some respect for that.

    2) 8:32, I said who the top 3 coaches are. of course people are going to get left off. Coach Smith (both of them) do a great job, as does Coach Matte, Coach Mitchell, etc. All of these guys are very dedicated to what they do. I can't mention everyone though. I'm not the first reporter to say something like "he's the top coach in the state" or "he is a top 3 coach in the division" and I'm sure I won't be the last.

    3) Goffstown is moving down to D-II, Timberlane is still in D-I.

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  47. We will see how good of a job he does now that he has his JV players moving up to his Varsity team. I think Mr Camp did a good job but this year he has his work cut out for him. Let's see what he does.

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  48. Jeremy your blog is excellent and you provide a valuable service that is appreciated - but Camp as the third best coach in D2?

    Winslow from Hanover? Murray from Milford (state title)? The St. Thomas coach (4 state titles?) John Stark always gets 10-11 wins and makes a playoff run. Heaney at Souhegan goes from 2 to 6 to 10 wins? Stuart Mitchell is a proven winner at OR? Oh boy....

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  49. Is this true about Alosa taking this winter off or is that false. I haven't heard this before just reading it.

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  50. Kearsarge helped "a little" by the heal points? Kearsarge did not win their first round home playoff game. Also, in that list of schools that you said had more talent, who did Kearsarge beat? They lost a scrimmage at Souhegan by 30. You could make a case that Kearsarge was helped the most by heal points, and they still couldn't advance in the playoffs.

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  51. ok lets get this back to being about the kids and not the coaches please.

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  52. How can Kennett be in another rebuilding year when they graduated 9 seniors out of a 14 player squad??

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  53. Well if they had 9 seniors last year it didn't show. They won what, 3 games?

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  54. Nobody had an easier schedule last year than Kearsarge. They got a home play off game and it was not even competitive.

    Break out players this year: Leblond, S. Mitchell, Cordts, Decearse.

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  55. Jeremy,

    Nate Camp #3? I will agree he has great hair but the rest has to be proven. Tell me the best team they beat last year? Maybe Stevens?

    You have disrespected alot of pretty established coaches.

    However, everyone is entitled to an opinion, thank you for what you do.

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  56. Being a great game coach would be how many upsets a team has, and winning more than your share of the 50/50's. Not sure in this situation who the "great" coaches are!

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  57. 1:20, I don't understand why you take me saying that Coach Camp is the 3rd best coach in Class I to mean that I am disprespecting all of the others. Why would you take it that way? Just because I recognize someone for good work doesn't automatically mean I think everyone else is not doing a good job.

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  58. Jeremy are you going to catch any games sunday?

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  59. You have to give Dan Parr at STA his due, He is enshrined in the New England Basketball Hall of Fame. I'm not sure any other current NHIAA basketball coach can claim that honor.

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  60. Jeremy,

    When you say Nate is the thrid best coach you are saying he is better than #4 - 25. In that group you would have Dave Smith Dan Parr Stuart Mitchell Tim Winslow Kieth Matte, Mike Smith etc.

    One year, no tournament wins, never beaten a good team. Strange comment that's all.

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  61. guys...chill out on Jeremy...the comment he made was a generic comment that is made 1000 times a day...listen to any NFL pregame show and you'll hear how a player "could be the best in the game right now"...and it's said about 25 players over the course of a sunday...until he puts up a "coach ranking"...which he wont and shouldnt because good coaches are made by their players, just take it for what it was meant to be worth...it's weight in salt

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  62. Does anyone know why you enter a league so you can get your team ready for the season and then play your freshman instead of your varsity team? Not so sure that sends such a good message to your so called varsity team that you really believe they can compete against the best don't you think?

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  63. Hold on a moment - go back to Jeremy's own post, just above here. He calls Coach Camp the 3rd best coach in D2 - that is a very specific designation and not a general comment. I agree that he does not intend any disrespect to other coaches. But like every thing else here it is fair game. He noted Jime Mulvey and Matt Alosa as the top 2 and Camp 3rd. Thats a ranking now matter how you look at it and its fair to ask the question and for others posters to add their 2 cents.

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  64. I played for Parr and I have no doubt he was a great coach back in the day, but the game is starting to pass him by a little now. Three years ago he couldn't do anything with a talented team. Two years ago, he only had one talented player in Baxter (brother of the football player from STA), and he didnt play to Baxter's strengths. Last year, the team was bad because of the coach's lack of discipline. This year, the players are doing things differently. Kaubris, Kahr, and the younger Baxter are all talented and committed players who want to make the playoffs. They know they have no chance of beating the top teams, but they want to restore some pride to the STA program. these kids will surprise people.

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  65. For crying out loud will you guys get back to how poor div 11 actually is, instead of worrying about coaches?and coaching references?D2 IS WEAK this year, with the exception of Milford. Bedford will struggle (saw them play),Souhegan probably #2 but just fair, look for portsmouth and Oyster river to be down this year and if Alosa is indeed done at pembroke you have more of a possibility of Milford going undefeated and unchallenged than the miami heat winning the NBA championship..............

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  66. I was told Portsmouth has been looking very good today. Still unsure who will play the point but they have some very skilled players and Dicesare is playing great.

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  67. i agree...this post is about ranking DII teams...lets discuss that please...like how i think you'll be very suprised by a young PA team...the Welch kid can flat out score...

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  68. Jeremy,
    I saw u at teh bst summer academy last week, would like to hear what you saw?

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  69. Jeremy, The mark of a good website is to generate controversy and emotion....you certainly do that which is why we read this site! Stand by your comments! Nate Camp for President!

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  70. Coach Alosa is coming back to Pembroke 100%. I spoke with him at the BST Advanced Academy. He seem surprised I even asked the question. He was only leaving if he got the Plymouth State head coaching job.

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  71. Three years ago he couldn't do anything with a talented team.


    LOL, are you kidding, that '08 team lost Matt Carr who was one of the best players in the state. If Carr had played, teams could not have doubled both him and Matt McLaughlin. There was really no one in Class I capable of playing Carr or McLaughlin one-on-one that year. Baxter also would have had a big year with everyone focused on the two Matts. Carr is playing college now and just had a huge summer in Portsmouth Summer League. McLaughlin could have played D3 ball too but opted for football at UNH.

    In 2004-05 he got his team to the Class I final four behind Alex Johnston. They knocked off #3 seed Bow and lost in the semis to the Hollis team that featured both Ben & Zach Etten

    The 05-06 team lost senior center Tom Sinclair for most of the year and after he returned they lost by a point in Milford who was the #3 seed that year.

    In 06-07 STA lost at UNH in the qtr-finals to Hollis-Brookline on Ben Etten's 40 ft buzzer beater. They came back in that game from 19 down in the 3rd qtr. That team featured 3 all-state players in Carr, McLaughlin & Mike Hureau.
    They would have had a very good shot at the title that year since the had already beaten Portsmouth twice and Hanover as well.

    You have to remember it is hit miss for Parr at STA - He has no feeder program and STA does not actively look to get basketball players in the way a Trinity or BG does.

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  72. hey, Jeremy...remember who you are dealing with on this site...mostly 14-17 yr old kids who #1 -have a highly biased opinion (of themselves particuarly), and #2 - have parents who perpetuate their opinions...most people struggle with an outsider ranking/rating/criticizing them in any way, shape or form. Stick to your guns. You put in a lot of time and effort and deserve to run this blog.

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  73. Here's a good one for you Jeremy:

    TO AVOID CRITICISM - say nothing, do nothing, be nothing...

    Keep the interest and the back and forth going Jeremy - it is what makes your blog a good one.

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  74. How about this people learn to compare without degrading. Say the positive without the attack. Say you feel both are good but one a little better. When a kid gets hurt stop judging and show respect. I had major issues with some post last week that mentioned durability with a player. How dare anyone judge something that the player cannot control. A kid that goes out and works his tail off be made to feel like he was less of a player because he got injured. That was not the time and I had a major issue with that. Injuries happen to all players and it would have served him well if everyone wished him well and stop judging at that point. That was wrong and I think Jeremy now realizes that. Hopefully this issue and complaints from others will have him be more vigilant from this point on.

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  75. The quote was Alosa takes the SUMMER off, not that he was taking the WINTER off. He is definitely coming back.


    Jeremy, I disagree with Camp being even mentioned as a great coach (someday he will be but..... )That's what's great about your blog however, you foster great conversation.

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  76. Han anyone researched any big time opening night matchups yet? Most schedules should be set.

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  77. Bishop Guertin hosts Manchester Central opening night, NO BIGGER MATCH - UP IN THE STATE.

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  78. Word on the street is Alosa will not be coaching Pembroks this season---too busy with other activities that do not include coaching.

    Friday, September 17, 2010 2:31:00 PM EDT

    Sorry but this says nothing about SUMMER. Anyone who was in the gym at all knew Matt was not coaching his team. The season as far as I can tell starts in NOV.

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  79. alosa, will be coaching pembroke...100%...stop stirring things up and get ready for the youngest team in the league.

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  80. Jeremy, Souhegan's Shaun McKenna and Sean McGrath are both juniors, not sophomore's.

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  81. okay.. DIII. do you have an approximation of when that will be done?

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  82. Jeremy,

    Not sure about 2-9. As you stated they are all about the same. Hanover has everyone back from last year and maybe a little low.

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  83. Who is going to the queen city for xmas? anybody new. How about Nashua?

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  84. Souhegan is going to Keene. Wish we could go to Manchester but made a commitment to Keene already.

    Too high

    Lebanon - they will be similar to what happened to Laconia and Monadonock after they graduated all there starters. Maybe slightly better than that but not much

    Too Low - Hollis Great Coach and has everybody back from last years rebuilding season

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  85. im pretty sure trinity at memorial madol vs stevens and his old team is a much rather go see than bg vs central

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  86. Lebanon is going to surprise a lot of people, and is not going to be anything like those two programs above. Matt Cowles and David Hampton are going to show why they are in the Top 15 for their classes. Marlin Hueil aka the Fish showed this summer in AAU he can play. They will be no lower then the 9 spot Jeremy had them at. I agree Hanover is a little low, and Coe Brown is too high in my opinion. I saw them at KOM and was not impressed.

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  87. 6:08... you clearly have not swam in the fish tank with marlin hueil yet

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  88. 7:05

    That's the best comment I have heard in a while LOL

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  89. Milford has a outdoorsman that will bait the fish,catch the fish and gut the fish. lol

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  90. Last night in the Eastern Sports Center Fall League Oyster River upset Central Catholic. Central had Jimmy Zenevitch (Assumption College) and most of the rest of their key guys. But Oyster River looked good. They're not terribly deep, but they have a tough group of kids who played good team basketball. Adam Goodwin, Chris Walker, Alex Hennessey and Dylan Kelly are all much improved from last year. I have them ranked a little low on here.

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  91. John Stark will win 16 games. They have Batman and Robin (see player rankings)a great coach and a 6'9" kid in the middle.

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  92. This kid keeps getting bigger he was 6 "8" last week.

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  93. 2:36 im pretty sure John Stark wont win 16 games...i saw them play at plymouth state over the summer and in there game against lebanon it was a war and even though john stark came out on top Lebanon looked better...and lebanons starting point gaurd was playing on a pulled muscle

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  94. I saw them play at PSU aswell. They played great everygame and againt lebanon, there was the worst officiating you will probably ever see. Leblond and johnston were probably avg. close to 15-20 ppg the whole tourney, leblond probably closer to mid twenties and they were getting hacked all night long. Bg played like that too. the worst hackers were saugus mass. but thats neither here nor there. What im getting at is that in that game both of those guys were off so it was hard for them to get going. I was there in the morning to watch king phillip play but the show that leblond put on having scored their first 16 points with 5 threes in the first 2 quarters was something to watch. they can win atleast 13 or 14. but you're just gonna have to wait and see for yourself

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  95. 11:27 u might be able to bait the fish but will u be able to bait blake Whaley aka "the whale"?

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  96. Lebanon will be fascinating to watch. In the summer, coach Matte seemed to put a lot of emphasis on Hampton (who is talented, but small and--at least in free-wheeling summer basketball-- can be impatient and had questionable shot selection. In the games I saw, he gave Cowles a lot of playing time. This kid is a natural--athletic, strong and a good outside shot, but a weak defender at this point and often forgot that he needed to rebound. Hard to say whether it was youth or something else, but he also sometimes was out of sorts on the offensive scheme.
    Hueil is player to watch, though he is streaky (and also seemed to get less playing time last year in the four games that I saw than an emerging threat would warrant--so maybe there are other issues there). Whaley is a great defender, but is either not inclined to score or is told by Matte to pass the ball away. In the games I saw last year and this summer, he nailed shots inside and out, but only took four or five per game and almost never drove to the hoop. He has decent height (6'4?), but is thin as a razor. When I've watched him, he has more than held his own against the stronger/bigger player, but clearly coach Matte (and his AAU coach) is worried about this since they were quick to sub in those kinds of match-ups.
    Davidson (Davison?)--a junior-- has a lot of heart and is tough on the boards. If he keeps his emotions in check and doesn't get in foul trouble, he will be a player. Not a bad shot from 18 feet and closer and gets lots of put backs.
    Farr is scrappy and can also hit the open shot when he is hot. But he hardly played last year. I saw him in two AAU games this spring and was impressed with his all out effort and his quickness. But from what I hear he barely got playing time last year.
    Hanover is another hard to predict team. Sam Carney is an amazing athlete. Given his size and shot choices, he should be very easy to stop, and yet he continually abuses opponents. So kudos to him. He just has It. And Gorman is more than impressive. He didn't seem to play much this summer--injury? better things to do? I saw him three or four times last season when he was a sophomore and was quite impressed. I think he is the make or break player for Hanover this year. Pressy-Murray impressed me with this athleticism, but he didn't make a lot of shots in the games that I saw. Is he a player to watch? Hanover experts--what's the deal with this team?

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  97. I guess it sounds like Lebanon will be a dominating team - if you play in a fishtank!!

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  98. The summer league championship game. Leb. got wacked by GSR. Hampton choose to play for GSR.Leb. Kids where out of shape and uncoachable(8 tee's). They couldn"t handle speed at all

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  99. You are forgetting that Milford has a aquatic nightmare for all marine species. The Shrimp! lol

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  100. Lebanon will be "fascinating to watch"?? What??

    John Stark will definitely get their 10-11 wins and will be tough to beat - looks like they have talent in place this year and LeBlond is quite the player. But not 16 wins - no way.

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  101. They have less talent than last year

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  102. GSR beat Leb by 10 with Hampton playing for GSR and leb getting 3T fouls if you call that getting wacked then I guess so.

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  103. Remember the 10+ point win by the GSR was with several 7th and 8th grade kids on GSR team getting quality minutes against Leb's juniors and seniors. Keeping that in mind - that's getting wacked!

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  104. 10:26 .... you clearly aren't very intelligible about NH basketball ... and kudos to 7:15 for actually knowing that when a teams best player gets put on the opposing team ... the opposing team just got 10 to 30 percent better where as the other team just got that same amount worse... and 10:26 if u were trying to make a statement about how pembroke is so much better then lebanon well Steve Desmares is not going to be suiting up for the spartans this year

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  105. Lebanon also had 2 guys foul out Fish with over 20 points and Guerin who was replacing Hampton for the game who had 14 pts leaving Leb with No pg to end the game.

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  106. GSR held the ball up 4 with 7 minutes to go. That's how the score got to be 10. It was really kind of pathetic. Lebanon was winning at half. GSR had a few T's as well.

    Fear the Fish

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  107. Leb did all this talking last year and it got them a first round exit with the player of the year. Keep it up Leb!
    Fear the Fisherman!

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  108. With out hampton Leb doesn't even go .500. he is the hardest working VT kid i've seen.Good luck dave.

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  109. 8:30 Intelligible enough to know that Lebs best player choose not to play for an uncoachable team. Smart kid (hampton).. You clearly only know about NH Basketball. Even worse, North W. NH Basketball.
    Wacked by yes, Some 7th and 8th grade tallent.
    Probable a tuff Fish chowder to Swallow. Leb had trouble holding the ball for two passes never mind 7 min. At Leb. with home town cooken all 3 of them.(refs.) WACKED

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  110. Hey 8:30

    Was that Leb Game Played 10Min. after GSR's Narowly won against a well Coached, Very good Hanover Team? If so, -GSR Hanover Likely Beat you(without Hampton). It was a fun game to watch Hanover against GSR'S, No Tee's. Very well Coached Teams.Barn Burner. I'm Glad I didn't stay for the finals. Who is the Fish?

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  111. Just to be clear, the Granite State Raider team was 15U. There were a couple juniors who got minimal minutes with 8th graders first off the bench. Nothing against Lebanon or Hanover...

    In the end it doesn't matter. When the scores count, we'll see where things end up.

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  112. This will always be the difference in the north vs south discussion. While Lebanon is playing games against a 15 GSR team with some younger kids on it. The better teams to the south are playing games against Michael Carter Williams and Alex Murphy. This sums it all up.

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  113. I hear a lot about teams from the North vs, South If you take all high school sports and see what schools are always near the top I would say Lebanon and Hanover are far above a lot of South schools, Hanover owns Soccer with Leb always near top,Lebanon owns Track with both teams having real decent Baseball teams not many schools can say all their programs compete at a high level. I feel both these Schools have good student athletes that play more than one sport, getting the most out of high school Athletics.

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  114. GSR held the ball with 7 minutes to go??? What?
    In a summer leaugue game?

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  115. They also have severly soft schedules playing all other North schools and alot of the north schools play down divisions.

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  116. Souhegan will underachieve this year. I watched them play a few games last year, and this year will be no different. If they want to win, they will have to get over the idea of 1-on-1 basketball and start learning how to play like a team.

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  117. Your wrong, coaches for Souhegan made a huge mistake last year not letting Len move to varsity. He is the missing ingredient. The team was missing a point guard last year and this year he will be a leader on that team and guys like Gilligan and Cordts will be able to play off the ball more which will make them much harder to guard. I look at this situation like I do with Milford when they added Mitchell his Junior year. The team was much harder to defend with him feeding the scorers. They will be tough and have a good season. Losing Jack Nelson hurts a little but they will still be a top 4 team this year.

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  118. Mitchell started on Varsity his Sophomore year, not junior year. And Len is a sopomore this year. Not too many frosh point guards at the Varsity level - Bayliss at Central was an exception. Len is ready this year he was not ready as a Freshman. But you're right about him feeding very good wings in Cordts and Gilligan. If he plays like a point guard and gets them the ball Souhegan is good - if he tries to score they will implode again like last year.

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  119. MItchell also got good minutes late in his freshmen year as well. After the JV team finished he played with the varsity and even got at least half of the minutes in the playoffs also.
    As for Len he is a past first point guard I do not think he will try to do too much. His game is very similar to Mitchell. Pass first and try to create for his team. Souhegan will be tough as will Bedford,Portsmouth and Pelham.
    Oyster River also had kids more active over the summer with AAU and now in the fall league at the RAC. I look for them to be better than last year. Pembroke is building the future and the question for them will be how quickly do the younger guys adjust to varsity ball. No doubt they are training players to build that program for years to come. The combination of Frank's training all year and Matt's game coaching is scary for class I. No other high school program in NH has a system in place that will be able to compete with that.

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  120. alright, whos got preaseason player of the year and all state honors?? POY goes to one of the big three, spirou, or diceseare. anyone?

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  121. Same leaders as last year. Mike O and Spirou are the front runners. Next up will be a group of about 5-6 guys from Holder,Dicesare,Fahmy and maybe Cordts.

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  122. Olaughlin and Holder are by far the front runners without a doubt. And sorry buti don't see Diceare,Fahmy and cordts even in this discussion.

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  123. What's so funny is that all you guys discuss is points for PoY. Coaches see far more than that.

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  124. What is funny is no one discussed anything and you are assuming points is our main thought process. Why is that? Last year Jamie only averaged about 16 points a game so why are you assuming we are thinking points. He is one of the best defenders in the league isn't he? Maybe we are talking about his defense, he can pass too maybe we are talking about his assist?

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  125. Points? What do mean are you saying that Olauglhin and Holder don't play defense? If that's your point what a funny one that is.

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  126. Its Mike. O's time he'll be the POY. Even if Jaimi is a better player now. Mike is a 4 year player, won a ring etc. He'll get the votes - or votes get split and then it could be interesting. Fahmy is not the best player on his own team, Dicearse will get every teams' best defender every night and Cordts will put team first and not have the stats to make the Northern coaches notice - pick here says it should be Holder and will wind up being none of these guys.

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  127. Someone on Milford plays Defense they were one of the top rated defenses last year also.

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  128. Since this is the TEAM site I will get this back on track with what I call the questions that each team will need to answer in order to make a run.

    1. Milford
    Milford is very talented,very experienced and still the most talented in the division. Questions will be can the players keep egos in check and continue to play their roles? Up until now this team has played very unselfishly sharing the ball and making the right plays offensively. Will that continue or will college coaches and pressure of recruiting change that?
    2.Bedford
    Bedford will be able to rebound and defend the halfcourt with their size and length. Question will be can their guards hold up to the pressure and get them into their offense and not turn the ball over. Also a new coach always seems to start a little slow with new sets and schemes.
    3. Souhegan
    Can Souhegan play within themselves and keep their emotions in check. This team has a lot of talent and if Len can distribute the ball and keep Cordts and Gilligan from feeling like they have the weight of the team on them they could be a 14-4 or better club and be scary come playoff time.
    4. Pelham
    Can Pelham defend bigger teams and rebound? Spirou has worked hard and now is a nice perimeter player with 3 point range but taking him away from the hoop on offense may limit what the other players can do. Can they turn you over and run? That will open up the running game where this team can be more effective.
    5. Pembroke
    Deep in talent with so many players who are trained in the Raider program is a big advantage. They will still be small and quick and be able to space the floor. If Neely gets another year they are and obvious choice to return to UNH. With no Neely they will need to replace the scoring and that is where it will get complicated. Can Maher be a consistent scorer as a Soph? Will young freshmen be able to replace the points they lose with Neely? Can they defend bigger players?
    6.Portsmouth
    Senior leadership? Last year this team had Barton,Montville and Nate to lead them. Tons of experience and a winning confidence that comes from being at UNH before. This year the ball will be in Lanes hands (if he plays). If he doesn't I do not know who will run the point. Can Dicesare create his own offense and will he be able to be consistent scoring with most teams keying on him.

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  129. Wednesday, October 6, 2010 12:33:00 PM EDT

    I think your right i like both players games but Holder is able to make things happen on both sides of the ball better then anyone in the state. And that to me makes someone a game changer and a complete player which raises the value of that player. I rember last year watching the semi and finals and in the semis against Portsmouth he not only came up with some big baskets at the end of the game but he took the air out portsmouth when he stole the ball from barton and lane at the end of the game.Then in the finals stepped up to play point with mitchell out and when both teams were tight for the first three or four minutes of the game without scoring he came out and scored the first eight points for Milford to set the tone while giving the confidence they needed to beat them. Never mind the huge block he had when he came out of nowhere on i believe jackson riel who had a gimmie layup,that kind of stuff energizes any team and thats what i see in Holder. And i believe thats what coaches enjoy the most.

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  130. If coaches enjoy that most how do you justify the same coaches not even making him first team all state last year?
    How will this year be different? Last year teams prepared for O'Loughlin they didn't prepare for Holder. So the way I see it the votes will not change this year. The coaches that thought he was the second best player to Woodward last year will think he or Spirou are the best two players in the state in D2. If Milford goes undefeated Mike O wins POY. If they don't and Spirou carries his young team into a solid record of say 14-4 or 15-3 Spirou gets POY.

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  131. Really you talked with all the coaches and they only prepared for O'Loughlin guess you just lost all your credibility there. You should talk to Matt Alosa about that one he will tell you staight up Holder was the one they were worried about the most. Yes he was worried about O'Loughlin too but He knew Holder was the one that would change a game on both ends of the floor and he was right. Players change year to year look at last yaer Spirou was the top guy on Jeremeys list it shows you things do change in a years time. Holder came out and proved it last year and this year. I watched him play against BG this summer and they not only beat them with only two starters Mike O and Holder they killed them at one point they were up by 40 green was not there but then again for Milford there was no Mitchell no Nelson no Desmaris no Philbrik but when i watched them play them in the playoffs they lost to Trinity with Milfords whole team excluding Holder i think he was with his aau team during that time. Trinity went on to lose to BG by a lot so in my mind having seen him play and beat the best team out there by a ton and then seeing Milford lose to a lesser team with their whole squad excluding Holder then i think its easy for anyone to see how much he really brings to that team. Coaches vote year to year not every four years because they understand talent grows at different times and what you see two years ago can be completely different then now. Either way Milford has two very talented young men on their team along with Mitchell,Nelson, Mcallum ect that make them the team to beat this year and it sure will be fun to watch teams try.

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  132. 1:48 post looking at the challenges for top teams is one of the best posts I have seen here in a long time.

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  133. Milford will concede player of the year to Spirou for a repeat title. They are that type of team. Both Mike O and Jamie will most likley do a post grad year and have another year to gain college coaches trust. Mitchell will be decided before the season starts. No pressure,no jealousy and the only award the boys are worried about is getting an education and a chance to play at the next level. These boys are all friends and if one of them wins it the other will be happy for the other.

    As far as comparing the two games BG and Trinity you cannot. BG was playing short handed and most of their players were at camp all day. Trinity played zone and forced Milford to shoot outside. Milford did just as they did last year adding guys for the playoffs and played horrible. I do not put any weight in that at all.
    Can Jamie win the POY sure. Can Mike O win it, sure. Can Steve Spirou put up such great numbers and win with what most people think it less talent than MIlford win it? Sure.
    Going to be a blast to see it unfold.

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  134. listen basketball time [yes i know who you are]your feebleminded rants about whether o'loughlin is better than holder are a waste of time and effort and an attempt to drive a wedge between very good friends since the third grade.they feed off each other on the court with a dynamic that does not exist on any other nh hs basketball team. your time would be better spent helping your son's academic endeavours so he can get in to the d1 school that has offered him contingent on his grades.

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  135. Jim, if someone crosses the line here and is disrespectful I will reject it. I don't think that has happened yet, though.

    That being said, Holder and O'Loughlin are on the same high school team. Let's not try to divide a locker room here by spending too much time debating who's better. They're both good players who bring different things to the table. Both have a very good chance at playing basketball in college.

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  136. Milfords locker room could never be divided, these kids are all like brothers and laugh this stuff off. I am sure that Jamie has a fan club as does Mike O. I know this because I belong to both. I am also a fan of Kyle Nelson who in last nights open gym drove baseline and threw down a two handed dunk that was the best dunk I have seen from a high school player in the state of NH. Yes the best one to date.

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  137. Basketball time? Sorry but you lost me on that one? And you no don't have to take this so personally. I was just stating what i have seen from both players in the two playoff games from last year and this summers BST league. I'm sure they're even better when they play aau ball with different team mates against higher competion. But with that being said its just an opion that has been shared by others too when comparing not only Mike O but other players too. Like i said earlier I love Mike O's game and from what ive seen so far i see him being a great college player, however my point was i see Holder as a little more all around player who should be looked at seriously as a POY canidate nothing wrong with that. Why is OK for someone to mention a Spirou or Mike O as POY but not a Holder or any other canidates without getting blasted at? I gave an opion just like you do and everyone else does, and i gave my thoughts on why i see it that way without disrespecting anyone. I find it hard to beleive either of two kids would be upset by people giving their thoughts and opinions on how well they play and their different syles as they both seem to have a good head on their shoulders. And like i said earlier it will fun to see other teams try and beat them this year. I don't know if it can honestly happen or not because the talent and depth they have but we shall see. I wish good luck to both of them and i guess we will let the cards play out for all these kids.

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  138. i dont see any other team playing a defense like mulvey's guys from portsmouth. their defense was a thing od beauty last year, and i expect their team defense to bring them back to UNH. their defense along with mccarthy and dicesare doing most of the scoring they should be at the top.

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  139. Who is running point for Portsmouth? We are hearing that Lane is not going to play so how do they get the ball up the floor? Just curious?

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  140. Any news on fall leagues? How are teams/players doing?

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  141. Portsmouth sits in a zone with superior athletes. It looks great playing teams with great ball handling skills that cant' shoot. But it also keeps bad teams in games.

    They would be better if they manned up, that is if they knew how. If Mulvey has to teach it to them at the varsity level it's too late.

    Portsmouth will always be good in d2, they are big town, well coached and have superior feeder systems.

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  142. Portsmouth played man last year against Milford for the most part but they just play very good help side defense. That worked until Milford hit shots from the perimeter. Milford may have been the only class I team that could have gotten that hot last year and may be the only team this year that has enough shooters to beat the dreaded Portsmouth D.
    They will be at UNH again but I doubt they will be able to scare Milford like they did last year.

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  143. The Valley last at #23? You've got to be kidding? This is going to be a tournament team! They are led by returning starter Justin Abbott, and have a nice core of players including Eric Mirante, Joey Brochu, Dylan Baer and Ryan Otis. They won't win the state championship but they could win more than 1/2 their games and make the tourney again. #23...not possible.

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  144. Zone is ok until you decide to flash you center or forward to the foul line for free shots. Plus last year Milford had two legit guys that could drive the lane and create their own shot or dish off to the bigs underneath the basket. Plus if you have a fast break team zone can be pretty much a mute point if your faster then them. I agree with the above statement you have to be able to do both man to man and zone.

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  145. I did not see any superior athletes in Portsmouth. In fact there best athlete got the least minutes last year as far as I seen.

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  146. Well, if they weren't great athletes were they really skilled?

    Portsmouth has always had superior athletes because they are a class L "like" school playing in d2

    Look at schools like Pelham and OR with 500 less kids. They have a stud or two but then have to put either tiny kids or unathletic kids out there to fill in the gaps.

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  147. Easy Valley,

    You will get your chance to show us. If you win 1/2 your games Jeremy will attend your playoff game, body painted in Pride Blue.

    (Will you Jeremy?)

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  148. Im sorry I disagree with the term superior athletes. They may be bigger in size across the roster because of numbers but to call players that are all playing below the rim superior athletes in basketball would be a stretch. You could say more well rounded athletes, more mature athletes but superior to me is a term I would use for players like Jordan Laguerre like players.

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  149. No they were more mature with a good coach that kept scores down and executed. They were bigger last year than other teams but superior is a big statement.

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  150. Can you call a team that never plays above the rim superior?

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  151. You do not have to be able to play man and zone. The team that won class I last year never played zone once.

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  152. portsmouth will beat milford this yr

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  153. That's because they had the athletes and very skilled basketball players to play mostly man to man. I wouldn't use them as an example.

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  154. Sign your name 3:38. We can talk after the game.

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  155. Jeremy,

    Pride Blue? Won't work for you.

    Milford beats Portsmouth by 25

    Where is Milford going to holiday tourament?

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  156. Pride blue? What does that mean? I think Milford is still at Keene.

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  157. Pride Blue is what the crazies at MV paint themselves in before every home game. Jeremy will paint himself at MV's home-game (allegedly) if MV wins half their games.

    Too bad you are going to Keene Milford, ho hum

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  158. Yeah we are not happy about it either. We have been very out spoken about wanting to play in Manchester or Nashua or even head into Mass.
    Not sure why it has not worked out but whatever.
    I think there is a good chance Jeremy will be Blue this year. MV has some nice young players coming up I hear and I think class I or D2 is somewhat down this year so 9-9 is a definite possibility for MV. They have a good coaching staff and that alone to me is worth 4-6 wins alone.

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  159. portsmouth has a new junior point guard from worcester

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  160. Worcester? Is he on NE Recruiting report? He must be if he is from that area. What is his name I will look him up.

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  161. Get ready for Windham. Their sophomore lineup is let me say... "nasty."

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  162. Then none of the "nasty sophomore" Windham players must have been playing at the BST summer league at Rivier - because the games I saw they lost all of them in blowouts

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  163. Playing a freshman point guard heavy varsity minutes is a bad idea in almost all cases. I agree with the one poster about Bayliss at Central being the exception to the rule, but I disagree with the other that Len should have started for Souhegan last year. There is no finer point guard in the state of New Hampshire than Mike Mitchell - and he played JV as a freshman.

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  164. Windham is in trouble Pelham killed them twice this summer without Spirou.

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  165. Thanks for the compliment on my son but every situation is very different. I was disappointed that my son didn't play varsity as a freshmen. After the JV finished up Mike was used a lot on the varsity for the last 3-4 games as well as in the playoff game against Stark. I do believe Len would have helped some last year for Souhegan but I understand with some of the upperclassmen being guards it would have been an issue for the roster and minutes for everyone. He does however fit the role that the team was missing last year and that is a pure passer and a person to control tempo and distribute. I think you will see a big difference this year in Souhegans shot selection and ball distibution.

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  166. I think MV will be a suprise this year.
    The few ganes I have seen in the fall league, they looked pretty good.

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  167. Can you call a team that never plays above the rim superior?


    Since the game was decided in OT, you can certainly say they were equals as teams on the court. Milford did not dominate that game as so many Milfordites seem to want to rewrite history. It was a great game between to two very good teams, EITHER team could have won it.

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  168. That was my point there were no superior athletes on either team in my eyes. I grew up playing against superior athletes and I have not seen any here in NH as of late. Good athletes sure, older athletes sure, nothing looks superior athletically in any of the state tourney last year.

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  169. Sorry to disagree but i do. That match up had three kids that could play above the rim one a 6-4 kid in nelson one a 6-3 kid in O'laughlin and one a 6-1 kid in Holder they all helped changed the game constantly and helped their team to win games due to their athlectic ability and that's a fact. You might not be able to see all the little things they do in games that help them to win the games unless you truly understand basketball or watch the game on video to see the turning points of the game such charges being taken or big time steals at the end of the game or blocked shots or clutch shots or rebounding ect. But the truth is these things happened constantly.So my point is when you have players that are more athlectic you seem to come up with more of those plays. And lets not forget they did it agianst teams that were led by seniors and yes that does make a difference considering Portsmouth had plenty of that experiance from last year and was all new to Milford. So when it comes to as you say in your own words either team could have won it,that did not happen why because the Milfordites came up with the bigger clutch plays when needed, and let's not forget they did the same in the finals too.

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  170. Well then I guess we can say that coaching is more important than I have given it credit for. You are telling me that Milford had superior athletes to Portsmouth,kids that have played together for many years,kids that have played on a higher level with AAU and all of that extra stuff was worth one possession? Really?

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  171. yea sure. Windham will have a lot of trouble this year, but in the up and coming years with their program progressing. you better watch out.

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  172. I always think it is funny how these new schools come in thinking their programs will be a power before playing a game. Cant you at least wait til you get your first win?

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  173. Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:39:00 AM EDT

    I think you have a great coach he makes changes during the game that really help your team stay in games that you probably shouldn't be in. However you did lose and you lost with one of the best coaches around and you lost with your experienced senior led group and you did not come up with enough big time plays that Milford did to win and so in the end i give the game to the team that were able to have game changing plays and that was Milford. Really. What do you honestly think would happen if last years Portsmouth team played a year older bigger stronger and wiser and let's throw in a more experienced playoff team of seniors from Milford? Do you think it would still be close? If you do then i have bridge to sell you.

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  174. Windham??? Where did a Windam thread come from -like 11:41 wrote, win a game first.

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  175. Let it be known that 11:56 is not Mr Mitchell. I repeat that is not me.. I am not the only Milford poster and that is not me.
    I will say this, I was amazed at how Milford played in the second half of the Portsmouth game last year. Earlier in the year I was the person that was concerned that not making it to UNH as sophomores that the now Junior group would be inexperienced and play nervous the first time under the bright lights. While my own son forced some things early I was amazed that the entire team seem to elevate their games in the second half. Jamie was out of his mind,Mike O had a big three, a few big free throws and then tightened up on D. My own son had 10 points in the second half and Dan Desmarais and Kyle Nelson took control of the paint. It was a very good showing for a complete group of Juniors. However if one three does not go down that game could have went the other way. That to me was the best NH high school game I have seen as far as a full story from Fire alarm to OT it was a treat to watch. I also have pointed out at the end when the teams shook hands even the players knew it was a special game by the fact that the boys did more hugging than hand shakes when it was over. The ultimate form of respect in my eyes... Cant we just leave it at that?

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  176. clutch plays in the end? dicesare and barton were out of the game. with them both in at the end of regulation and OT, portsmouth is your state champion.

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  177. Pembroke would have beat you we were way to quick for you that is why we beat you in the regular season. Pembroke would have been your state champ.

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  178. Portsmouth you really do not take compliments well. Fact is even with 3 starting seniors and experience of being at UNH last year you were unable to finish off a group of juniors with no UNH experience. Your loss,our trophy,rings,banner... you get the picture.

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  179. Not a big Milford fan but Portsmouth you did lose to a bunch of under classmen with no experience in the playoffs as Jeremy says nuff said.

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  180. Windham will be at UNH this year. Don't underestimate talented underclassment

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  181. Not a big Milford fan but Portsmouth you did lose to a bunch of under classmen with no experience in the playoffs as Jeremy says nuff said.


    Where did he say that?

    So after ALL the hype on these blogs for 2 years on how great the Milford juniors were, now you come to the table and tell us that they were really nothing more than "a bunch of under classmen with no experience". As far as experience goes, we were all told how how these kids were playing AAU against the best in the country in the respective age group. The "inexperienced" label did not apply. As far as their nerves go, I would say it was more a case of the expectations heaped on them versus any experience factor.

    Can't have it both ways, Milford fan or not.

    When you lose a tight game in OT to the #1 seed, you have nothing to hang your head about. That game could have gone either way and everyone would has a clue about basketball know that. Mr Mitchell has gone out of his way to say that here many times. Perhaps you should listen to him.

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  182. Windham.... really... really?

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  183. Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:26:00 AM EDT


    Nuff said i beleive is something Jeremy uses on ocassion as an ending phrase. And the reason i used those description was try and make you understand it would take a pretty talented crew to beat Portsmouth who had one of the best coaches in NH basketball and having past UNH playoff experience all the while being led by a bunch of seniors. And by the way UNH is pretty nerve racking to anyone who has never played in front of 5000 screaming fans so using the aau example doesn't make sense at all because your not playing in front of all those screaming fans your most likely playing just another game out of the four games you played that day. The fact of the matter is they had the ability to make better plays on the offensive and defensive side because of what we were talking about earlier which was kids playing above the rim. So if you really need to figure it out for your self go and watch the video again and see what types of plays changed the game for Milford and you will see why Portsmouth lost to under classmen. And one last thing like i said earlier if you take this years older stronger more experienced at UNH team vs the last years Portsmouth team do you really think you would have a chance?

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  184. Windham at UNH did someone actually write that? Did they win a game anywhere this summer? Grabbing jerseys and playing dirty does not get you to UNH - it gets people to run in up on you come December.

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  185. i saw the milford highlights from the game on youtube...does anyone have the whole game film?

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  186. Lets see.... thats a lot to respond to, but here we go.

    "And the reason i used those description was try and make you understand it would take a pretty talented crew to beat Portsmouth who had one of the best coaches in NH basketball and having past UNH playoff experience all the while being led by a bunch of seniors."

    Hmm, so again I say, all we heard for two years was how talented these Milford kids were. Now somehow that is meaningless and playing in front of a lot of people is somehow the end all to evaluating a team. As I have stated here many times both teams were very good. Milford won in OT that day, they get credit - no one is saying they shouldn't, but don't try now to say it was some it was a bad mark on Portsmouth because they lost to what you saw as an inexperienced team. (LOL, I guess the 19-1 record going into that game was meaningless too)

    "The fact of the matter is they had the ability to make better plays on the offensive and defensive side because of what we were talking about earlier which was kids playing above the rim."

    LOL, seems to me it was big 3's not above the rim play - Even Mr. Mitchell has said that. Your not telling us anything new, EVERYONE knows that Milford had kids that played above the rim.

    LOL - Even Mike O stated it was 3's...
    "“I’m so happy right now,” Mike O’Loughlin said. “I thought they were going to win. We came back, we started hitting 3s. We had all the momentum.”" - from the New Hampshire High School Sports

    "And by the way UNH is pretty nerve racking to anyone who has never played in front of 5000 screaming fans so using the aau example doesn't make sense at all because your not playing in front of all those screaming fans your most likely playing just another game out of the four games you played that day."

    By the way, Lundholm holds 3000 not 5000. So these incredible players who played AAU all over against these top players are going to be intimidated into jello by a crowd???? They would not be much at all if that were true, certainly especially since half of it was cheering for them.

    By the way, DiCesare was a sophomore & Nate Jones was playing rec ball the year before. So much for the idea that the crowd intimidated "inexperienced" players!

    "So if you really need to figure it out for your self go and watch the video again and see what types of plays changed the game for Milford and you will see why Portsmouth lost to under classmen."

    LOL, you do realize that juniors are not underclassmen - check Webster's.

    "And one last thing like i said earlier if you take this years older stronger more experienced at UNH team vs the last years Portsmouth team do you really think you would have a chance?"

    Who cares? Each year is its own thing. That was the dumbest part of your statement. Would this years Milford team have beaten the Hollis-Brookline team that won with Zach & Ben Etten? Would they have beaten the Pelham team that won a title with Roman and crew? No one knows. It is a great point for blog talk, but useless beyond speculation.

    As far as Portsmouth's experience goes, the team that won the '09 title was not the team that Milford beat last year. 3 big time players had graduated Fransoso at PG, Mulvey at the SG and Tsougranis at PF. That team relied as heavily on those 3 players as Milford does on its "big 3". We will see next year if Milford can do as well after those 3 are gone. After all they still be an "experienced team."

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  187. I have the entire game film on DVD. If you are looking for a copy I can get you one. MM

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  188. "And one last thing like i said earlier if you take this years older stronger more experienced at UNH team vs the last years Portsmouth team do you really think you would have a chance?"
    Milford 2010 would have beaten the Portsmouth 2009 championship team as well. Those two teams were very closely matched in the regular season in 09. Mulvey winning a game with a three at the buzzer. A year later I would give Milford the edge. I think Dicesare was a more complete player than Mulvey the rest of that team was very similar. IT would have been a great game. Again this is useless to discuss but I am sure it will get a response. lol

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  189. Only response is that a fool would think the '10 Milford team that lost to the '10 Portsmouth team during the regular season and won in OT by 4 in the semis - would have beaten the 09 champs. As I said it makes great fodder for a blog, but I expext next we will be hearing how how this team would have beaten the the Central teams with Tyler Roche or the Bonner, Lutz, Millard led teams at Trinty....LOL..such is the world of the blogs.

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  190. In all of the Milford v. Portsmouth banter I don't think anyone has raised the issue that Portsmouth draws from a nearly Div. 1 size pool, and Milford draws from a mid sized D.2 student pool. I believe Portsmouth has averaged better than 14 wins a year for 3 or 4 years running, wonder why they did not petition up to D1.

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