Tuesday, October 5, 2010

NH Notebook Football Power Poll - Week 6


Another exciting weekend of football is behind us. We had 2 thrilling overtime games (Memorial vs. Exeter and Bedford vs. Con-Val), we had BG put up a valiant effort against one of the top teams in Massachusetts, and we saw one of the highest scoring games in recent memory (Salem over North 67-54).

Here's what it all means with regards to my Power Poll.

1) Winnacunnet
Yes, they just barely beat Dover and Exeter, who aren't exactly powerhouse teams this year. And yes they fumbled the ball 10 teams vs. Dover. But this team flat out wins games. They're undefeated, including their week 1 win over North. Until they lose they're my #1 team.

2) Pinkerton
Ok, let me get this straight. Pinkerton lost to North but they beat Salem. North lost to Salem but they beat Pinkerton. And Salem lost to Pinkerton but they beat North. All 3 teams are 1-1 against each other...so who's better than who? I give the nod to Pinkerton for 2 reasons. 1 is because they're only one of the 3 teams who didn't give up 500 points this weekend. And 2 is because when they lost to North they were playing without arguably their best player - Luke Somers. I think that's 2 pretty good reasons.

3) Salem
Both teams have 2 losses, but I give Salem the nod because they beat North head to head on Saturday and lead 34-0 at one point. I think that's a pretty good reason.

4) Nashua North
See Pinkerton and Salem...the Titans have a big game this Friday night with city rivals Nashua South, which should tell us a lot about where both teams are at right now.

5) Bishop Guertin
You could argue BG deserves to be higher, since they have just 1 loss and it was to one of the top 10 teams in Mass (Catholic Memorial) while the 2 teams above them have 2 losses. But without Kelly in the lineup they're just not the same team, and I feel like the teams above them are better, but JUST BARELY. Only a couple more weeks until their HUGE showdown in Hampton with Winnacunnet. If I can help it, I WILL be at that game.

6) Manchester Central
They really needed that win on Saturday over Souhegan. Up until that game, the Little Green had played two playoff caliber teams and they got pummeled by them both. They needed a win over a top team to validate themselves. I obviously have them ahead of Souhegan, and I have them ahead of Nashua South because South because Central's best win (Souhegan) is much more impressive than any of South's wins (Portsmouth, Concord and Memorial).

7) Nashua South
See Manchester Central. And like I said above about North, the game this Friday night between the 2 Nashua schools will be VERY telling about the state of both squads. Let's hope at least one of them plays some defense.

8) Souhegan
A good team with a lot of talent and a strong senior class. But they shot themselves in the foot with a lot of penalties, turnovers and other mistakes vs. Central and in the first half of their games vs. Londonderry and Goffstown.

9) Keene
Keene is undefeated on the season and has some explosive weapons on both sides of the football. They've beaten the teams they were supposed to beat, and they've beaten them easily. That being said, they have had a soft schedule so far, as none of the teams they've beaten are playoff contenders (except possibly Con-Val in D-III). This week begins the part of the Blackbird's schedule when we find out how good they really are. They finish the season with Merrimack, Dover, Timberlane, Winnacunnet and BG. All good teams, and 3 of them are on the road. These games will all be crucial in D-II playoff positioning, as Keene could end up finishing anywhere from 1st - 6th in the division depending on how they do over the next 5 weeks.

10) Timberlane
I was impressed with what I saw from the Owls on Saturday night in their win over a solid Merrimack team. They have good toughness, and are a very well coached team. Who's the 3rd best team in D-II, them or Keene? We will find out in a couple weeks when the Owls fly west to visit the Blackbirds. Yes, I'm making a cheesy bird analogy here sue me.

11) Trinity
I have to put Timberlane over Trinity, but the Pioneers continue to steamroll their way through D-IV and deserve a spot in the poll so they get the honorary #11 spot. I can't see Trinity with an enrollment of 450 beating Timberlane with over 1500 kids. I've seen both teams, and the Owls are better right now. But Trinity deserves some credit. I know some folks are giving them slack for not moving up higher, but they did at least move up 1 division (although based on how the 2 teams are doing this year it does seem silly that Pelham is in D-III and Trinity is in D-IV - should be the other way around). But the Pioneers are undefeated, they beat Hanover, Laconia and walloped Plymouth and they blew out a decent Monadnock team. I said it before and I'll say it again - there is a VERY good chance that them and Lebanon will be unbeaten when the matchup on October 30 at Gill Stadium. I WILL be at that game, for what could be a D-IV title game preview.

151 comments:

  1. Other than North, Winnicunnet hasn't played a team with a winning record. Not surprising they are undefeated...... Don't think they warrent #1.

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  2. Love D1
    3 vs 10 and 4 vs 7. Every week, great games.

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  3. Winnicunnet way overrated by everyone, seen them twice and if there number 1 football way down in New Hampshire this year......

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  4. I don't care if NH football is up or down.
    I don't care who is ranked #1.
    I only care about defending the D1 ship.
    Go Blue Devils and get us our back to back titles.
    Just take it easy on Saturday and give some other kids a chance, then run the table on the last four so Nashua has to come to Salem.

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  5. Keene is going to go 10-0. Their offense hasn't been stopped yet and there defense hasn't given up that many points. Winnicunnet and BG are both overrated. Keene will be state champs!

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  6. Keen hasn't playeds anyone good yet. Look at the teams they plaed and their records.

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  7. Jeremy,I thought wins and losses were not a criteria for your poll,it is how well that team is playing right now.Now you are saying it doesn't matter how bad winnie plays,they are your number #1 until they lose.They have played nobody with a defense yet,nobody.Your ability to rate teams is going to take a serious hit in a couple weeks when they start playing some good teams.Not to mention that winnie's defense has quite a few holes that nobody is talking about.Timberlane and BG will beat them easily,and don't be surprised if Keene and Merrimack also hand them losses.Beating North is no big deal,their defense is also suspect.Get off the winnie bandwagon while you have a chance,before it's to late,before we say,TOLD YA

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  8. Keene should play someone first then talk

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  9. Well 11:14, if they lose to those teams like you say then yes I'll move them down. Until then they stay #1.

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  10. Most people who have followed Keene this year know they haven't played anyone yet and are waiting to see how the play versus Merrimack on Friday.

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  11. Winnacunett followers know how Keene feels.The combined division 2 records of the teams winnie has beaten,2 wins,9 losses.The 2 wins were against winless teams.

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  12. Behind division 2 numbers on a rainy day,winnie is scoring 43 per game while the defense is giving up 11.Keene 39 on offense,8 on defense.BG 32 per game while allowing 5.Dover scoring 31 and allowing 12.Merrimack scoring 20 and giving up 25.This is division 2 contest only,no crossove games.

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  13. Timberlane is a hard hitting team.I saw them play Merrimack and Guertin,those 2 games were rock fights.Salem better not take them lightly.

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  14. Going even further behind the numbers Keene's opponents: Alvirne, West, and Spaulding. Alvirne highest offensive output? 18 against Keene. Dover's opponents: Merrimack (31pts), Winny (18 points) and Alvirne and Spaulding (both shutouts). Merrimack's highest offensive total? 31 against Dover. Winny's opponents: Spaulding, Dover and West. Sometimes your best defense really is the OTHER team's offense.

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  15. The numbers do tell us this,bg's defense has shut down 2 potent division 2 offenses,timberlane and merrimack,and 1 not so good offense spaulding.

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  16. Winnacunnet is completely deserving of the number one spot. They have the best player in the state and one of the larger faster teams i have seen in years with a ton of depth. they have proven themselves in big games and have shown they can come back from behind. They are tougher than any team in the state and play with heart. Its just typical that everyone has say they are overated. This happens on every thread on this site. Everytime winnie or bg is ranked higher than a d1 team its the end of the world on this website. Why dont you guys just win the games against us and then you wouldnt have to make excuses and cry about it on this website.
    -traps

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  17. 1:49
    It's not that they take them lightly, it's that they simply do not care. It is a scrimmage game. Timberlane (just as BG did) really wants to beat the D1 Champ and they might just do that. But it does not change a thing, Blue Devils will repeat as D1 champs. (Didn't Timberlane take Salem to OT last year? Did it hurt Salem? Nope) Prediciton, close game because Salem plays more people in the Div 2 games... but Salem wins.

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  18. I have never seen fans that have one championship in 25 years as arrogant as this years Salem fans. You have an excuse for everything, They didn't care about BG, they had a bad day against PA, they won't care about Timberlane, The offense was the "worlds best" against North but also gave up 54 on D. I understand that after this year you probably won't be in the mix for another ten years or so, all the more reason to tone it down a little

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  19. Sorry 1:49. If you know anything about these two teams you know that they have something in common; they simply don't like eachother. I have watched a lot of games between these two and I have never seen Salem call off the dogs and play deep into their bench. This is a battle that either team wants to lose. In fact, the game 2 years ago that Salem lost, Timberlane was the one who pulled their starters. Don't tell us that a D1 team excepts losing to a D2 team. If Salem has the chance, they will run up the score just as Timberlane would if they have the chance.

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  20. 3:25
    Good call on Salem but I would add Soughegan to your list...

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  21. 3:25
    After this year I won't be involved in NH football at all. So why tone it down? Only care about last year and this year then my son goes to college and we all head out of state. Not all of us will be in NH for ever you know. And... they didn't give up 54 on D, you at least need to subtract the 6/7 for the pick 6. That leaves 47. Then subtract the 6/7 for the kick off that we forgot to pick up. That brings it to 40. Then subtract 6/7 for that dumb onside kick and that brings it to 33, then subtract 6/7 for that ridiculous pass interference, that brings it to a respectable 33. So there!! Now, the fact that they don't care about D2 teams in not an excuse, it's a statement. They don't. It does not change the fact that BG whooped them this year and Timberlane took them to OT last year. The kids that were on the field tried thier hardest to win and couldn't. Timberlane was 'as good' as Salem that day last year and BG was 'better' than Salem on that day this year.... but it just does not hurt thier chances at repeating on little bit. So, they don't care. If Timberlane beats them 45-0 on Saturday, it just does not change the Div 1 race at all. Heck, last year everyone said it was over because they 'didn't care' about Central, Central absolutely clobbered them 45-0 and gave them a 'charity JV TD' at the end. The kids simply didn't care about that game and took care of business when it mattered. Does that mean that they didn't try to win? Nope. Does that mean that there was no urgency or need to win? Yep. It happens in sports at all levels. BG and Timberlane are not relevant to Salem. Salem is relevant to BG and Timberlane, accept it and get over it. I will go out on a limb and say that if Salem wins the D1 title again this year they will get beaten by a Lawrence Mass team on Thanksgiving that will want to beat the D1 Champs from NH. In fact, I have no doubt that Lawrence wins. However, if Salem is not the Champ going in to that game, they will easily beat Lawrence. And we are talking about the same two teams. See how it works?
    Go Blue Devils!!!

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  22. 4:04 I hope you're not right. Did someone say on here that Salem players were atheletes and not football players. If what you just said is true, then it's true. Only football players will understand this: High school football is not a game or just sport; It is more. If your description is accurate, they may have a trophy, but they will never be football players. If they walked out on the field we my high school team wearing the same jersey, they better be committed to the teammates and not some worthless trophy! They can keep their butt in the locker room otherwise. Talk about recruiting! If I lived in a town like that, my son would play soccer or go to BG or Trinity. BG doesn't want to beat Salem particularly. BG wants to beat whoever they play. BG correctly sees D1 as a lower division. You D1 people are denying the undeniable. I see why smaller, slower, less experience kids win. Salem better have the fastest backs in the state every year! Though honestly, I don't believe you.

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  23. 4:04 - all I can say is WOW (or perhaps all I can get past Jeremy!). Unless you're a coach, I'm not sure what you write as fact about caring is reality, but that's your opinion and well you have yours others have theirs.

    Let's get back on track about the poll and upcoming relevant games shall we?

    In D1, we've got the Nashua River war - does North's defense come to play, does South's offense and defense continue to play well. The Concord/Memorial loser is probably officially eliminated from any chance... Can Central play well enough to beat Londonderry?

    In D2, this weekend will show whether Keene is a contender or not. Winnie gets another cupcake before their season starts. BG/Dover could be very interesting - Dover's pretty happy about their last 2 weeks, but BG is not Alvirne/Spaulding.

    At least the Salem/Timberlane crossover will be more of a challenge to Salem than the end of the month North/Merri game.

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  24. its funny how after the BG/Salem game the Hypers were quiet as church mice after over 2 months of how Salem was going to destroy BG something about 56-7 was the prediction.

    Then quiet again after another loss. All the sudden they beat North in a point fest and its all blue devils all the time.

    I will be first to admit I had North by 3TDS and Salem pulled out a big win, Lets see whos standing at week 8 or week 1 of playoffs.

    Pinkerton or North Vs Salem is likely scenario.

    and next year, Salem has NOTHING. can you say that for North, BG or Pinkerton ?

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  25. Jeremy, good job. You're the hardest working sports writer I've ever seen, and you know what you're talking about. I do think you rated Salem too high though. A team must be ranked on their results on the field, totally divorced from what the fans say. I saw them against BG and Pinkerton. They haven't showed that they can play 4 quarters. They are a good team for 20 minutes. After 20 minutes of the P.A. game they were leading by 2 TDs and they dominated both sides of the line. At the same point, they were only down by 7 to BG. They were up by 34 against North. These are their only 4 quarter games. In each they were then out scored by 3 TDs! That extrapolates to 6 in a full game of similar play. And in my opinion the play on the field was that significant. In the second half of the BG game they got 1 first down in 6 possesions! BG never punted! Even when Kelly sat after his fifth touchdown, BG moved effortlessly down the field. Why is this? Salem doesn't have the depth. They are spent. Nothing against them or their coaches. They should be commended for their effort. It may also be why their kickoff coverage is less than stellar. They use that to give their key guys a rest! I wish them luck, but I think they have their work cut out for them.

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  26. Lebanon will not be considered a real force until we see them against Trinity. Their games are far too close to show real domination.

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  27. I apologize to the vast majority of Salem fans for labeling them arrogant. In going back over the posts this year, it really is one person 4:04 from this post that has been writing the vast majority of wacky stuff. I don't know how you can be inside the head of 50 players as they decide to turn their prowess on and off at will, dominant this week, merciful the next. You are at best hurting the perception of the team, why would you want to do that? I will not dignify ever again responding to one of your rambling diatribes. I can't wait to see Salem get knocked off this year!

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  28. 5:21
    Yep, remove 6 players from Salem's roster and you have a bunch of kids having fun. The "trophy" is the only reason that they play. The only reason they play HS football is because they thinks it's fun. Yep, we all know that BG is a football school and will beat Salem each and everytime that they play if it doesn't count. BG has 45 to our 6. Outside of the 6 players that I mentioned anything that doesn't get them closer to the trophy is simply a fun event. Salem is simply not a football school. When you are not a football school, the trophy is the only thing that matters. This will become clearer after this year when Windham is no longer part of Salem HS. This program is quickly heading to the "superior" D2 (I always find that a funny "excuse" for not moving to D1)and maybe even D3. So in summary, you are right. I accept all criticism that says Salem has Athletes and not football players (with the noted exceptions) because it is true. But, we won a ring, which is important to me and I am hoping that we win another this year. And Neither Timberlane or BG have any say what so ever in that quest. And as a side note, most of Salems 'top athletes' do get out of Salem when they realize this. We are very very fortunate to have the ones that we have now, but that is ending soon. And Like I said, after this season, I really do not care what happens to them. Just like I didn't care what they did before I got to town last season. Now this is only my opinion, and you know what they say about those.

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  29. 3:50, the Souhegan people only post because of the utter disrespect. It's one of the top programs in the state with an enrollment of 840 kids that regularly sends more than half of its senior classes to college ball. Name one time in the power poll era where they WEREN'T ranked! The experts all say Souhegan's legit, but you people can't help but just talk smack about them. Thus, Souhegan fans come back. Notice there wasn't a single Souhegan post on here until you said something.

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  30. salem is the only team in the state who gives up 54 POINTS in 1 game and thinks they are all world.Coach Gati Iknow you know who this poster is,heis embarrassing your school.

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  31. Speaking of excuses for everything 4:04! I'll give you the pick 6 but to say that an onside kick or a "kick you forgot to pick up" (JV teams don't even "forget" to pick up a kick) or North had a short field clears the defense of fault is crazy. North still had to travel that distance to score. Salem still had chances to stop them. They didn't award the points following the kicks or anything else. And even the 4 TD's that you want to that still leaves them at 26 points. On a championship team 26 points is not "respectable" as you call it. It is very much average at best. You are trying to defend a defense that, against D1 caliber playoff contenders (BG Included) has given up 42(BG), 19 (Central) 38 (PA) and 54 (North). I'm not sure the word porous describes how bad that really is.
    The better point to make is that they have an offense that, when clicking on all cylinders, can overcome giving up 54 points. At least then you don't sound like a crazy fanatic defending giving up 54 points.

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  32. 3:25
    Let me clear something up with you. I am a Salem fan and you are using the word "fans" to put a blanket statement over ALL of the Salem fans. I will tell you as a Salem fan that Salem tried to beat BG in the first game and they lost, BG was the better team that day and they were a better team last year. Before this year Salem and BG scrimmaged and those games were battles. 2008 BG beat Salem up pretty good, 2007 Salem smacked them, and that year Salem didn't make the D1 playoffs. Salem has had a couple of off years 88-93, and 98-2000. I will tell you this, Salem has a proud football program. Football championships in 75,83,95,and 09 Football runner-up in 76,81,85,87,05,and 06. When you say that Salem has not won in 25 years I assume you are talking D1, the D2 championship does not count? It is the same Division as BG, and they beat a Londonderry team that moved to D1 in 96 and went undefeated. My point is don't crap on ALL of the Salem fans, that guy does not represent us.

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  33. I have not heard a sound from all the BG fans since their loss to CM. Could be an upset this week against Dover who are playing good hard football.

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  34. Hey 7:37, I did apologize already at 6:13 when I realized it was one poster. I usually route for Salem when not routing for my own team.

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  35. 6:59
    You need to learn to recognize sarcasm. "a respectable 33". Really, you responded to that? Really? There is not single person that supports Salem that claims that they have a good defense unless its from the cheek. Salem will win a 2nd title, but not because of defense.

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  36. 6:59
    BG is irrevalent. D1 contenders Pinky gave up over 30 to Salem, North over 60 to Salem and Central over 40 to Salem. Salem beat 2 of the 3 and ran out of clock at the 6inch line on the game they lost. They will be just fine without Defense.

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  37. who are winnacunnets receivers?

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  38. Salem may be the only team that gives up 54 pts and brags, but they are also the only team that gives up 54 pts and WINS.

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  39. Yes and Salem is also the only "contender" that gives up 54 points period. Whats you point haha?

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  40. I'm very intrigued by this fridays North/South game in Nashua. Up until Salem went off on them, North was being mentioned as one of the best defenses in the division.
    South's defensive play last week I don't believe was the result of the other team (Concord) as much as it was some key personnel changes and an appearance of a much more aggressive game plan.
    If North can rebound defensively (Which I'm sure they will with those athletes) and South's D builds off of last week, with the offensive firepower both teams possess and inter-city rivalry intensity, it could be one of the best games we'll see all season.

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  41. 9:13 sorry, my post did not get on for 2 hours, I did see your post, and a reminder to everyone, there are yahoos in every town, don't take it out on the programs and more importantly the kids.

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  42. 10:05
    That is one blogger making those comments, the majority of Salem fans are very grounded where this team is right now. They have some outstanding High School football players on this team and are a lot of fun to watch. I know these kids especially the seniors and they are outstanding young men and believe me when I tell you they respect the game of football and all of the teams they play They are the defending champs and probably barring injury will be in the mix for a playoff spot at the end of the season. So let's leave it at that and see how the rest of the season plays out..

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  43. 11:11
    True, North is a contender, but they didn't stop at 54, they gave up 67.

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  44. 6:13
    You obvisously are new to watching sports. There actually is such a thing as 'motivation' in sports. There is such a thing as the best team does not always win. (If the 07 Pats played the Giants 10 times do you think it would of been 5-5?) Do you think Namaths Jets were not a little more motivated than there opponents? Do you think the 04 Pats didn't have more motivation than the Rams? It is obvious that you are new to this. Yes, there is such a thing as playing harder from one week to the next due to motivation. If you think that every team plays as hard as they can every week you are nuts. Salem has no incentive to beat BG or Timberlane. Those games mean ZERO in the grand scheme of things. It's like all of the posts that were running around here regarding the Thanksgiving games and the fact that no one comes out to play. This Saturday Salem is going out there to get a little exercise and prepare for the following weeks game. Timberlane is coming out on a mission to make a statement. Yes, motivation exists you turn a blind eye to it all you want.

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  45. 6:59 - you state that BG is irrelivent ONLY because they beat you.

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  46. If I am not mistaken, BG scrimmaged North in the preseason and the Varsity to Varsity was a 1 point differential in favor of BG.

    Yeah, Yeah, That was pre-season - but so was Pinkerton's win of BG at the jamboree. and folks made a big deal about that.

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  47. You will never convince me that Salem didn't care about BG. We had to listen to them all year after BG was ranked best in the state and how they could beat us. The trash talk was happening at every event and at every chance that salem had.

    Well Blah Blah Blah. They didn't beat BG and they sure were trying.

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  48. 10:51
    No - I mean that they are irrelevant to our Quest for a repeat D1 title.

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  49. 10:53
    Scrimmages truly mean nothing. Salem absolutely demolished Winnacunnent in a preseason scrimmage at a neutral site. That same Salem team lost in the Jamboree to Goffstown. If they played today, Winny would beat Salem and Salem would beat Goffstown. (based on rankings).

    10:56
    You listened to who? Players? Nope. You listened to fans/parents. THEY cared, but they wern't allowed to play.

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  50. I am not from any of these towns but I cannot understand how someone can say that a team would not be motivated playing BG. No offense to BG but they are one of the most hated teams in the state. Most think they recruit,most think they are rich,spoiled and egotistical. I find it very hard to think that a team would not be motivated to beat them.

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  51. Let me remind everyone on this site, the Salem trash talk is from a small minority of yahoos, "Don't listen to what these nitwits say, hey don"t speak for us"

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  52. Hey 11:29, you are right but isn't even a small group. It is one person who is the father of one of the players.

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  53. 11:26
    The players don't get involved in that garbage. All that you read on here regarding recruiting and things non-football is fans/parents. In fact, most players are not even aware of BG until they play them for the first time usually in a scrimmage. BG is big amongst BG people and parent bloggers. From the Salem kids they get no consideration. There was not even a BG related speech before the game. If you attended, you remember, it was the first game of the year and there were no cheerleaders, band, and only a handful of Salem Parents there. It was a non-event in Salem.

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  54. 11:59
    It was important to the players. Since the game got changed the band and the cheerleaders could not come. If it stayed a friday game they would have been there. I never knew a football team that could not get up for a game because the band wasn't there, they were not at the north game and that didn't stop the offense, maybe the defense needed the band. They were ready to play that day, they just got beat. I am a Salem fan that will admit that

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  55. Real players get up for every game. Scrimmages,practice games,non divisional games, checkers.. darts... compete..
    If you lose it is disrespectful to the other team to make it look like you did anything less than your best. You do not do that it is classless,wrong and not even a good example for your kids.
    Michael Jordan said it best. Every time I step on the floor I have something to prove. Every Time!

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  56. Wow, you people know nothing of sports if you think that motivation plays no part. And yes, there are a handful of players at all levels that get up for each and every game. These are the household names, and there is a reason that they are household names, again at all levels. But there are more players of the variety that need motivation to excel, accept it.

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  57. Salem Players were VERY motivated for Nashua, Pinkerton and Central. Not so much for Memorial and not at all for BG. Face it BG, you don't rate here. Take your story to the 'superior' D2. You only matter there and in your hometown. Didn't mean to offend you, but it's true, you will never motivate Salem unless you 'move down' to D1. You kicked our butt, I admitted that many times over, but it just did not matter, we didn't care, it won't affect us.

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  58. As a Salem person I never want to hear excuses of any kind, if you teach it at this age then you are setting these kids up to fail. I have watched Coach Gati for years during his Trinity and Concord days, he would never treat any game different, he has too much passion for the sport. Salem players are always ready and MOST of the them don't make excuses for losing.

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  59. Sorry, No Band, No Cheerleaders, Oh My... Maybe they only play to impress the pretty girls.....

    This conversation has reached a new low.....

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  60. 11:59 It is interesting how you think that BG hasn't been heard of before. Take a look at the % of blogs here that are dealing with or include BG....

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  61. 1:29
    Coach Gati does not play. Do you wonder where 'Motivational Speaches" came from? Lack of motivation. How about the famous "Lets Win One For the Gipper". This is not new people, most athletes need motivation. Watch the Kenny Chesney video, if these guys didn't need motivation, those cool speeches would not exist.

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  62. 11:59
    Yeah, BG is huge on this blog and in Nashua. I personally had not heard of them until last year. 20 Year Salem resident. Salem Rams for 6 years. Salem HS for four(1 freshman, 1 JV, 2 Varsity)Last year was the first time that I ever heard of them (on this blog). I have been to each and every one of my sons games since Mighty Mites. Never, ever heard of them.

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  63. salem parent, the day 33 became a respectable score on defense was a sad day for football. or d1 football at least

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  64. so jeremy you are judging by head to head matchups for the top 4 but BG won their head to head with salem who won theirs to north and played decent in a scrimmage against north while losing by 3 to pinkerton in half a game. i think that makes them number 2. forget kelly he isnt coming back. instead of woulda coulda shoulda whining about how good they would be if he was there, evaluate how good they are RIGHT NOW. they played horribly in a loss to CM a team they couldve beaten if not for other temporary injuries and the defense is really what beat Salem, giving up only 14 points to "the worlds best offense".
    oh and the keene fans are just comical, there is something in the water up there i swear. they are always HUGE and always match up better than any other team with BG because of this.Major props to their baseball program though.

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  65. 2:29
    Funny how u tell Jeremy not to coulda, woulda,shoulda with Kelly but then you woulda,coulda, shoulda beaten CM. Make up your mind. I think he has BG rated too high without ANY woulda coulda shouldas. I would place them at 9 right under SHS.

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  66. Heard nthere are a few players on BG out for the week with injuries...Jeremy, did you hear of any injuries?

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  67. 2:08 I've heard of all 57 high school football teams and a lot of Junior football teams, but I've never heard of the Salem Rams. And I lived in Windham for several years. I guess we're even. If you think of yourself as someone who pays a little attention to NH high school football though, that is surprising.

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  68. 3:27 Below Souhegan? Help me out! They beat who? You'd say anything to suggest that your Sabers should be moved up, huh?

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  69. 6:29
    No one said the Sabers (I assume that's Souhegan)should move up. BG should move down, pay attention. You can just vacate the #5 spot if it makes you happy. That keeps SHS right where they are.

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  70. jermey what games are you going to this weekend

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  71. 2:08
    It's OK - BG wouldn't want you. You have to take and pass a test to get in. Grow up will you - your postings are getting tired. Other than this year, BG has been scrimmaging Salem every preseason for at least the last 5 years. So let me guess the only time you pay attention to which team your child is playing is when they are playing a regular season or playoff game. Other games you just don't show up or care about - that's sad in my opinion. Perhaps it's your care less attitude that you're mistaking for the Salem players. In any case, Salem ran the straight T offense just like Exeter and coach liked the players to see it at least once prior to playing a regular season game against Exeter. It's called preparation. Why do you think Salem scrimmaged Winnicunnet this year? Perhaps because they run a sort of spread option offense - like guess who - yes, BG. Maybe you really don't know as much as you profess to know.

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  72. 6:29, I'm pretty sure that wasn't an SHS poster, just a guy posting where he feels BG belongs. Otherwise they would've said "move SHS up from number 8!" Haha, wow the hate is strong...

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  73. any thoughts on the plymouth/laconia game friday for the fourth playoff spot in D4?

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  74. Back to the power poll, I think Jeremy has it right. If Winni had not beaten North in week one, they would not be in that spot. Pinkerton, Salem, and North are all intriguing in their own way. North returned a ton from last year’s team but their skill players needed to develop, which they have. Salem returned all of their skill players and needed to develop their line and blue collar players, which they have. Pinkerton has only a few seniors but it has been addition by subtraction, they have the young underlying talent and needed to have it brought out, which they have done. I don't think that Salem and North think that PA is at their level this year but they are, if they can make sure that the young guys stay grounded, they are very deep. I see all three of these teams winning out setting up PA with the one seed against either South or Central and Salem and North battling in the semi finals. No prediction yet on either of those games and anything can happen to blow this up any week which makes it more exciting. I think that BG is pretty good where they are, would never bet against them moving up. I am flipping Winni to where I think they should be if things were head to head this week. I would tend to put Central ahead of South only because you need studs running that spread or you can be taken out of your game plan. Beyond that I know that Souhegan is always good and I would like to see Keene play. Timberlane is physical and has gotten better since the Pinkerton game, they did not look good that day. No matter what your routing interests are, let’s hope you all are rooting for Pinkerton going down to Brockton next week, #3 MA. First they have to get through a steadily improving Exeter team (Mucho respect to Coach Ball and that program)

    Power poll (If I had to put them head to head this weekend)
    Pinkerton
    Salem
    North
    BG
    Winni
    Central
    South
    Souhegan
    Not sure between Keene, Timby, Trinity, Bedford

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  75. My schedule for this weekend:

    Friday: Keene @ Merrimack
    Saturday: Newfound @ Gilford
    Saturday: Dover @ BG

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  76. 8:46 Not bad except a distinct D1 bias. D1 teams don't ever have to earn they place. Lose the games, wait a couple of weeks and say, "We're better, because we've improved!" I saw BG dominate Salem after you-know-who was taken out. It just as one sided. I read Salem supporters talk about their highly rated backs not getting a single step. Also, BG backs weren't so good. They had all the blocking in the world. Well, those lineman today are the same for both teams. I'm sure you're convinced the Salem backs could beat those linebackers from BG now. Surprising to me considering, the Salem backs came into the season with all the experience. All but one BG linebacker up from the JVs or freshman. But D1 supporters wouldn't ever allow that they might improve. Even if you were right, the polls should reflect what you have shown.

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  77. Reading all these blogs I have realized Tony Johnson must have silenced all his players parents. Not a word about how they will continue to win without Kelly

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  78. I couldn't put a 3-2 team (North) ahead of a 5-0 undefeated team (Winni) that they had lost to.

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  79. There is not a person outside of Winny that thinks Winny would win a North rematch and not a person outside of BG that thinks BG would win a Salem rematch. (Except Jeremy, he thinks Winny would win against anyone in the state)

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  80. 9:45 you may be right and I would always have a hard time picking against BG, I am just taking a look at where I think the teams are now, notice that I put BG ahead of Winni and nobody is doing that. I think that Winni is a tremendous team but they have struggled the last couple of weeks, so I am moving them down. BG may well be capable of beating Pinkerton, Salem, or North on any given week but I think that the way things are now, they lose any of those games. This is not based on BG's loss to CM, it is more having watched the other three teams develop. I have BG 4th, ahead of Winni and it would not shock me if they played any of the top three and won.

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  81. I am pinkerton guy and I think BG would beat Salem if they played again. Salem s D is not good.

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  82. Here is a good question about D1 and D2. Exeter is having a down year by all accounts but where would they be ranked this year in D2. They just took Winni to overtime but it may be feasible that they don't win a D1 game. They are 0-3 against the bottom of D1. This may be a function of them having an off year but they get no rest, their upcoming schedule is Pinkerton, Salem, Central, South, and North. The difference is between D1 and D2 is that there are not as many weeks when you can depend on a win. I say this with the caveat of last year’s BG team who would have beaten anyone including Brockton

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  83. jermey, i'll give you two numbers for the keene merry game. 7 and 10, in white! i am willing to bet a large amount of money they hook up all night against merry and go for at least one score! luopa and boulay, two players and a team that everyone else looks over. watch out for these two kids!

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  84. ANY thoughts on banning salem poster from this site.His comments offend everybody,including salem fans

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  85. 11:18
    Winni and Exeter is a rivalry game. It those types of situations it doesn't matter if the two teams are 5-0 and 0-5. Throw their records away, Winni is still the best team in D2. Exeter would probably be in the middle of the pack (behind merrimack timby and keene).

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  86. These kids, while anyone of them would love to win a state title, are h.s. football players who for most of them will never play college ball. Win or loose, like my son, they are focused on their "big" hit, "amazing run", and the guys on the team. They are making great memories. I love rivalries, but lets remember they are kids. Looking forward to some fun football this weekend!

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  87. 10:39
    Pinkertons D was no better than Salems on the day that they played. It was Salems Kickoff team that blew it. Go look at total yardage.

    Salem gave up 264 Total Yards
    Pink gave up 324 Total Yards

    The kick off return and INT (in Salems red zone) were the difference, not the Defense.

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  88. Last years BG team would have faced a similar fate as Exeter this year. We would be talking about Exeter being top 10 right now if they had not moved. BG would get weaker each weak with no time to rest. That is the difference in the divisions that most just do not get.

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  89. Pinkerton came a play or two from beating Brocton last year and they were 5-5 in D1. Not sure why you bring them up.

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  90. Exeter would be 8-2 in D2 this year. Their offense has been good, averaging over 20 points per game. The defense just literally not been able to stop anyone. I think maybe 4 punts in 3 games for their opponents.

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  91. Based purely on watching JV level games, I believe Exeter has a weaker than usual team this year. I think Exeter would also be struggling in D2. They barely beat Dover week1. If you understand the Exeter v. Winni rivalry - you know that in any given year anything can happen regardless of who's better "on paper". So throw that game out. The coaching staff probably has to build up their film library of D1 opponents too. For them it's a huge dose of discipline and preparation that has allowed them to be successful in D2. That and being one of the largest D2 schools for the last few years - just like Pinky - it's far easier when you have the ability to have depth.

    The same argument can be made for any D2 team that would move up and play deeper teams week after week - yes to that I agree. However, eventually the better prepared teams are the more consistent teams. Both D1 and D2 have their perennial weak teams and if you move the top D2 teams into D1 and the bottom D1 teams into D2, then we wouldn't have to have a poll!

    Perhaps the "solution" or "answer" would be to create a "super" division of the "perceived" top of D1 and D2 and allow it to be adjusted every 2 years. Either that or do something similar to Mass and have a "large" D1 comprised of D1, D2, and some D3 teams that are further split into conferences of 5 or 6 teams and allow for a more crossover games that count. Then have your playoffs and "superbowls" up through thanksgiving. Too bad the NHIAA isn't open to such a change, so we'll never really know. They like giving out 6 championships - it's the PC way to be.

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  92. 10:39
    Look at the stats. The Salem D gave up less yardage than the Pinkerton D in that game. They were very close. Salem's INT and Kickoff was the difference, not the D.

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  93. It's bad enough that Jeremy himself has been censored by sensitive bloggers, now you want to censor his bloggers too?

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  94. what about the dover green wave. there defence has had back to back shutouts

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  95. I agree,ban the salem blogger.I feel dumber after reading his posts.We get the message,salem is the best team in the state, no need to tell us 50 different ways every week,and when they lose it is because it didn't count,or they didn't care.Don't keep hitting us over the head with it every week.

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  96. Winnacunnet barely beat Dover there's no rivalry there. Just based on history, Portsmouth can barely win a game in D2, moves to D3 and is a perennial contender, Exeter moves to D1 after being arguably the top team over the past decade and can't win a D1 game. With a couple of exceptions a team's success is going to depend on school size and depth. If Winnacunnet played in D1 this season they would likely not be better than a .500 team. BG will beat them by at least 2 TD

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  97. 12:14
    I went back and read the blogs. You Sir are an exaggerator. He never said that Salem was the best team in the state. He said that he thinks they will win the D1 title. They lost twice. He never said that they lost to BG because they didn't care, he said that they didn't care that they lost to BG. He said that it was not a big game and they had no motivation. Nothing wrong with stating those opinions, whether or not they are incorrect. He did say that BG kicked their butt but 'who cares?, it was a meaningless game'. It does not affect his goal of D1 title at all is what he said. I don't call this making excuses. As far as Pinkerton, I couldn't find any excuses what so ever about the loss. Never did he post that Pinkerton did not deserve the win. Now, if you want to find some of that, look for the comments regarding BG "beat themselves" against CM. I have not seen the Salem Poster type anything like that. Just ignore the comments you don't like, or read them and 'get dumber' if you must. But don't try and censor him because you don't agree with his opinions. This is his last year of HS football so we only have 5 more weeks of him. I can't wait to see what he posts next.

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  98. Jeremy,

    Are we close?

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  99. 12:57 Exeter is not the same team that was at the top of the DII field in the last decade. In fact, they didn't even make the finals last year and have gotten weaker since then.

    Winnicunnet seems to be a good team but haven't really been tested with a D2 winning opponent yet. But they did beat Northn the opening game nail bitter.

    BG is good - not as good as last year. But still very good. They have a lot of depth as can be seen with how they have back filled for Kelly's absense. Kelly is an xfactor as their QB Steve Cupa said on WGAM. But he credits the team for all stepping up. They probably should have been the team to move to D1 as has been stated here. But it is what it is now.

    Last year, DII was a stronger and more competitive division. Most unbiased people see that and agree. This year that is not the case. When all is said and done, D1 and D2 are all Class L schools in the other sports so comparing them to each other, and having the cross over games count would make sense.

    That would not bee too much of a stretch for NHIAA to implement would it.

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  100. 11:18 Finally, someone has made an argument explaining why D1 struggles each year that makes some sense to me! 8:49 jumped right in with both feet. Exeter has been worn down with the tougher early schedule that D1 has each year. But of course, only game 2 and 3 were bad games for Exeter. That means, it HAD to be their first game that wore them down this year. Of course we all know their first game was against a D2 team. They were used to the first game being an easy D1 game. (Central and South the last 2 years.) Weeks three and four have been much better for Exeter. Nothing like a couple of D1 games to get you healthy again. Look out, Exeter may be #1 in these polls by November. Of course I'm kidding, but you guys deserve it. That was the most perfect example of putting your foot in your mouth that I've read on these blogs.
    In all seriousness, there were 4 weak teams in the upper 2 divisions last year. 3 in d1; 1 in d2. A lot of ways to justify that statement, but none simpler than: The number 8 D2 team easily beat the number 7 D1 team, 28-0. And there are no results that dispute it. I've looked. Before you respond let me say, I concede that D1 is stronger than D2 this year.

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  101. Dover is good but cant even be in the talks till they dont just hang with winning teams but actually beaqt them.

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  102. 4:53
    Exeter
    Week1 - D2 game, close score, but did not get beat up.
    Week 2 - D1 game, got beat up.
    Week 3 - D1 game, got beat up.
    Week 4 - D2 game, should have won, did not have time to recover from week 2 and 3.
    Week 5 - D1 game, recovered a little against Winny, but not enough to win.

    All this and they have yet to play a D1 contender.

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  103. Plymouth lost again! 3 loses may not make playoffs!

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  104. keene beat merrimack on a SAFETY. C'mon

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  105. Keene will absolutely NOT go undefeated this season.. Watched entire game this evening and while Merrimack is really not a great football team, Keene definately could have lost that game easily. They also had a player leave on first play of second half, It was a running back, not sure of injury or player. Timby, Winn, and BG will all beat Keene. Not sure about Dover.

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  106. 1ST TEAM OUT OF DIVISION 2 PLAYOFFS,MERIMACK LOSING TO A VERY BEATABLE KENE TEAM.I FEEL BAD FOR THE MERRIMACK QB,HIS BAD TOSS COST THEM BIG TIME.

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  107. 8:49 I guess I'm one of those who "just don't get" it. Explain to me, carefully please, why the D1 teams who had more weak teams in their division last year didn't get as much rest. Otherwise, tell me which team in D2, other than Spaulding, was as weak as Memorial, West, or Concord last year.
    When you're done, please explain why a week is not enough time to rest between games. My recovery time as a high school player must have been exceptional. I felt pretty good by Tuesday and we played on Saturday. You pretend to know something but you won't share it with us.

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  108. anyone who knows anything about merrimack,knows it is a CRYING SHAME,

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  109. coach batista says wait until next year,even though he plays 6 seniors both ways this year.next year merrimack wins 3 games tops.How about that pitch for a safety?WOW

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  110. Hey 4:53, my foot is securely yanked out of my mouth but not via your post. I was only making a point that historically good teams having a down year in D2 have the advantage of more easy games than their counterparts in D1. I contend that this year as in years past that the discrepancies of talented teams below the top three teams in D2 is greater than D1. For instance if you take out BG, Exeter, and Winni last year as well as Salem, North, and Pinkerton, look at whose left. I would say that Central, South, Londonderry, Memorial etc would generally take out Timberlane, Alvirne, Dover, Keene etc. I am not knocking D2 and never have. I was simply saying that Exeter having a down year has a brutal schedule upcoming the likes of which no D2 team would ever face and I stand by that. "This may be a function of them having an off year but they get no rest" their upcoming schedule is Pinkerton, Salem, Central, South, and North.

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  111. Keene loses their running back in the second half comes back to beat merrimack in a very good game. Keenes banged up though it will be a tough one at dover to try to remain undefeated.

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  112. Hey 8:49
    Last years BG team would have done to D! what they did to D2, Huge win at Pinkerton and CM, scrimmaged, Salem, South, Memorial, Jamboree with Central and handled them all........and you forget they have the best game plan coaches and smart kids to pull it off. I asked a NH game oficial and he said the best team he's seen in years.....

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  113. division2 playoffs,bg,timberlane,winnie,and keene.merrimack better luck next year.oops they are all seniors

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  114. When anyone says D1 is tougher D2 supporters bring up BG. BG is a D1 team playing in D2. Get over it.
    Even with proof. A team that has been near the top of D2 forever moves to D1 and will probably have the worst record in D1 you still argue. You expect me to believe that all of a sudden a great team like Exeter got real bad?
    No, Exeter is the same Exeter. They are playing with the big boys now. If they were in D2, they would once again be up there with BG and Winny in conversations.

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  115. Jeremy,

    50 - 0
    After the first quarter.......

    C'mon it's time

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  116. 2:11 - Don't know if you mean that all the players on these teams are seniors. But BG only has a hand full of seniors this year. They are mostly underclassmen

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  117. 8:58 Apparently, one of us "doesn't get it". We can agree that Exeter had 2 shocking losses in game 2 and 3 against d1 teams. The original posting said that it was due to being worn down. That HAD to mean they had been worn down in game 1. He felt it was the change in schedule wearing them down. I pointed out that the D1 schedule pit them against a D2 team in that week one game.
    But furthermore, the whole notion of wearing teams down is just a false notion latched on to by D1 proponents who are searching for an answer. Years ago some people latched on to far fetched explanations to argue the world was not round, but flat. In conclusion, until someone can make a convincing argument, D2 was stronger last year, and the world is round.

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  118. Expensive wins for Keene and Winni with both losing their top RB... Using the BG logic to drop in the poll w/o Kelly - that means Jeremy should have a new #1 next week (ha ha).

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  119. Hey 7:22
    Exeter is not the same, not even close, last year they graduated a bunch of kids who didn't make the championship game,,,,,,,they would have been down in D2, I have seen their JV and Frosh getting wacked for the last 3 years, no surprise in their play this year. By the way 11:00 BG has 3 to 4 seniors on the defense depending on circumstances and 4 seniors on offense depending on formations, they are very young starting at least 5 sophomores and about 12 juniors. Next years BG team will be a powerful group, added to it a freshmen class that has about 5-7 potential varsity starters next year

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  120. The QBs pitch was not bad, the Defensive end got his hand on the pitch and deflected it!

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  121. 11:22
    Why run option on the goal line? Bad coaching by Merrimack, If you look at how Keene plays the option, they send their ends and OLB's hard at the QB and pitch guy, the safe play in a option look is to give it to the dive back, unless it wasn't a triple option, I wasn't there, so I don't know. Merrimack should have brought the wing backs in motion then handed it off to him with a lead blocker off tackle

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  122. 11:55 I can understand your gut telling you that the teams you listed for D1 are better than those you listed for D2. However, results of games last year contradict you. Number 7 from D2, Keene, beat number 5 (actually tied for 4th) Londonderry. Timberlane (#5) went overtime with Salem, one of your top 3. As I've mentioned before, D2 #8 (below the group you've listed) easily beat Memorial, which you do include as a middle team (28-0). The only result backing your view is #6 South 17-14 over #5 Timberlane (I've checked). Not too significant. Remember now, you're to justify saying that I "just don't get it". You need to argue significant D1 superiority, and then make an argument about a week not being enough time to recover. Last year D1 was stronger at the top, in the middle and at the bottom.

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  123. 7:28, and then zero points for the rest of the game. When Trinity takes out their starters, they keep scoring.

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  124. PA wins ugly against Exeter, South beats North, and Salem blows out Timby, what a wild ride the top of D1 has been this year and fun to watch!

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  125. I don't care about next year. The time is now. Go Blue Devils, repeat. Gati has been making Defensive adjustments. The Starters gave up 0 points today. Sweet.

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  126. Maybe now BG people will stop tryin to tell us that Kelly wasn't the reason they beat Salem. BG is a shell of the team it was week 1. Even though I'm sure BG 'beat themselves' like in the CM game.

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  127. Salems defense against a top 10 team:
    RUSHING: Timberlane (30-42)
    PASSING: Timberlane (4-10-0, 34)

    76 Total Yards. Really? (50+ were on the final JV drive)

    Uh oH Salem learned Defense!!

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  128. BG was beaten fair and square. Dover outplayed and outcoached them. Dover wanted this and like BG smashed Merri, Dover smash BG. Tough to recover from so many deserved penalties, especially the too many men and delay of game due to continued issues getting plays in and the right personnel on the field. BG was without Fucci who played in Kelly's place against Timby and Merri. When a freshman is getting more than 1 touch in the game, you know coach is digging deep into the depth chart. There were also quite a few sophs getting significant game minutes on both O and D.

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  129. Pinky is doing just fine with Freshmen and Sophomores... keep bringing the excuses BG. My lord, just admit you just aint that good anymore. You should have 'moved down' to D1 when you had the chance. Now you are stuck in the 'superior' D2 with a weaker team.

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  130. when did Winni lose their running back? and which one, Taylor, Trainor or Fee?

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  131. I wonder what this guarantee was worth?

    Anonymous said...
    I will gurantee that Salem doesnt score 40 pts on Timberlane this Friday

    Wednesday, October 6, 2010 7:35:00 PM EDT

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  132. According to Seacoast Online - Trainor

    http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20101009-SPORTS-10090323

    Dislocated shoulder - could be 2 weeks, but it's not an easy injury to return from for an RB/LB.

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  133. Trainor is out with separated shoulder, hopes to be back for playoffs.

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  134. Nothing like a guarantee from someone who won't sign there name.

    Jeremy, It's time

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  135. Jeremy - Great job covering NH sports. These kids we all are following are providing great entertainment for the adults and great memories for themselves.

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  136. Merrimack's QB was only running the played that was called.. its tough with a weak offensive line. Sounds like a lot of jealously from Merrimack haters. If you think they are so bad why is it you cant find anything to talk about except them. The senior class is a good group of kids that works really hard. I wouldnt count anyone out just yet.

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  137. Radiernation.. Yes you got to 50-0 in the first quarter, that is great. The question comes when you wouldn't put in your JV and the refs had to force you to. That shows the lack of class and sportsmanship.

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  138. 12:53
    I don't think it is either a lack of class or sportsmanship. This is the seniors last year and they want to play. Most will never play again. I read in the paper that Max Jacques is getting very frustrated coming out of games before halftime. He wants to play, he is a senior and according to an interview that I saw on CH6 Salem, he is still waiting to hear from even a single college. I think that regardless of the score, all of the Seniors should at least go to haltime. I know that is not considered sportmanship, but on teams like Salem that means you can still pull out guys like Fedrick and at least 6 other underclassmen starters. Just my thinking, it is about 'playing' HS football after all.

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  139. "refs had to force you to"

    Seriously 12:53, lets not just make stuff up

    The score was 0-0 over the last 3 qtrs. How can you say a team ran it up?

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  140. trainor has a separated shoulder he could be back for the bg game at the earliest and the merrimack game at the latest. talking to him he thinks that he will be good to go when the warriors play keene

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  141. Lebanon fans... please relax, it was 50-0 against John Stark. With, according to newspaper reports, 11 injured players from John Stark. The two best teams you have played (Laconia and Kennett) were both competitive games. Trinity has the longest winning streak in the state at 25 or so games...and they get to #11. The scores from most of those games haven't been close. If you played a DIII schedule you might make the DIII playoffs, you struggle to win games in DII and in DI you would get steamrolled week in and week out.
    For a team to be ranked in the top #10, in my opinion, would need to be able to give DI teams competitive games. A small school can't make that claim just by going 5-0. Go undefeated, beat up on Trinity, win the DIV title and then maybe you can be debated as a top 10 team.

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  142. 12:21
    not saying you don't know what you are talking about but....

    We played MV not John Stark (was there really a newspaper report?)
    We are 6-0
    We beat Laconia and Kennett on the road
    Trinity should be considered a d1 school, and it's coming for them

    Jeremy, it's time

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  143. 4:10 - Your team is playing really well. The true test of your team will be the final game of the season against Trinity.

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  144. 4:10... I mixed up the opponents that Lebanon and Trinity both beat 50-0. The report about the injuries is from the Concord Monitor. 5-0 was a typo, 6-0 is impressive, but take a look at the teams ahead of you...

    This weeks poll will include Winny, Pinky, BG, Salem, North, South, Central, Souhegan, Keene, and then your pick from Trinity (25+game win streak) Dover (3 straight shut outs, Win over BG and close loses to Merrimack and Winny) or maybe Timberlane.

    You need more than 6 wins against DIV teams to get on the poll if you aren't a consistent football power. Trinity wins 25 straight and doesn't get in. Souhegan had to play 2 DI teams to be taken as a serious top 10 and Plymouth barely cracked the top 10 during the 50-something game win streak.

    It may be time at the end of the year, provided you get past Trinity, but its still too soon.

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  145. Whoever says D-III is more competitive then D-IV needs to get there facts straight.

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